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Old 30-11-2022, 06:27 PM
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I fixed that issue, there's a symbol up in the top right corner that says "imaging" when you move the cursor over it, clicking on that effectively turns the imaging functions on and off!!!! Why on earth would you want something like that?????

We're about to go out so I'll try it again tomorrow.
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Old 30-11-2022, 08:35 PM
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And there is the problem, in imaging there was a setting to loop the image but that is no longer there so I can't initiate an image. I'm perplexed why these settings are no longer shown, they used to be there.
Are you in the imaging panel? You've probably closed the pane where you can initiate an image (or sometimes if you're remoting into a PC, the window resize hides the pane)
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Old 01-12-2022, 09:03 AM
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Adam, yes, that's exactly what happened (see my previous post), I must have turned it off without knowing it. Why on earth would you want a function like that?
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Old 01-12-2022, 09:18 AM
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Adam, yes, that's exactly what happened (see my previous post), I must have turned it off without knowing it. Why on earth would you want a function like that?
It's designed to be modular. Some people don't want certain functions and so NINA allows you to remove things you don't want.

I don't use the imaging options in that section of the program btw.

YMMV. It's good you're given the choice.
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Old 01-12-2022, 09:34 AM
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Ok, looking at it from the perspective of an advanced user then yes, that makes sense. From my perspective (less than advanced ignorance ) it seemed like a dumb thing to do.

I'm a bit confused, though, if you don't use that section how do you use it for imaging? My brains are starting to hurt again......
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Old 01-12-2022, 10:41 AM
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Ok, looking at it from the perspective of an advanced user then yes, that makes sense. From my perspective (less than advanced ignorance ) it seemed like a dumb thing to do.

I'm a bit confused, though, if you don't use that section how do you use it for imaging? My brains are starting to hurt again......
For a full night's imaging you use the Sequencer (simple or advanced). This is where you build your Lights and Darks etc. Flats should really stick to the Flat Wizard tab.

The "imaging" options in the Imaging tab, is more for quick shots to test things out.
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Old 01-12-2022, 10:45 AM
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By the way, you can restore something in the Imaging tab if you've removed it via two methods.

One is to click the icon relating to that function at the top. For Imaging, it's the icon in the attached that I've highlighted. This will restore the panel.

You can also do a full reset of the UI by going to Options > Imaging > Layout and choosing 'Reset layout'
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Old 01-12-2022, 11:47 AM
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Thanks Adam, that icon is the one I found by accident.

As for the sequencer, I have watched a couple of videos on it but forgot all about it, got distracted by the imaging issue. Once I actually start using it all hopefully it will start coming together.

I'm used to steep learning curves but this is something else! When I took up Black Powder shooting there was a lot to learn, but unfortunately there is also an element of "the dark arts" involved as results aren't always predictable - but at least there are no computers involved!! In this case there will always be a valid reason why something doesn't work, the problem is finding it.

Thanks again mate.

Edit: couple of hours later. I think I've exhausted the possibilties, the only real adjustments to the camera settings are exposure time and gain. It doesn't matter what combination of these settings I try the best I can get is a grainy, dark, slightly blurry image. When I use Sharpcap, however, it shows a very nice image right from the outset, so there's nothing wrong with the camera. The only thing I can think of is there is an incompatibility between NINA and this particular camera model.

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Old 02-12-2022, 07:23 AM
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I think for the complexity of NINA, being able to:

go to the sky atlas,
pick a target,
set that for the framing assistant,
have that slew and centre with an automatic plate solve and start imaging with just 3 clicks is great.

And if you do take the time to organise the sequencer, all the steps become one, and repeatable.

VERY steep curve though- I've currently stuffed plate solving on one camera, don't know how.

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Old 02-12-2022, 07:34 AM
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Thanks Adam, that icon is the one I found by accident.



Edit: couple of hours later. I think I've exhausted the possibilties, the only real adjustments to the camera settings are exposure time and gain. It doesn't matter what combination of these settings I try the best I can get is a grainy, dark, slightly blurry image. When I use Sharpcap, however, it shows a very nice image right from the outset, so there's nothing wrong with the camera. The only thing I can think of is there is an incompatibility between NINA and this particular camera model.
When you connect the camera, check the drivers you have available. My ATIK camera presents 3 drivers, only one of which works fully.

Also, under Options->Imaging->Image Options is Unlinked Stretch ON?

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Old 02-12-2022, 08:45 AM
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Neville, there is more than one option available under camera selection but only one works properly, like you said. The native driver is the recommended one (the one that works), the ASCOM driver causes problems, a known issue.
I can't remember the unlinked stretch setting. I found the autostretch option, mentioned by another poster, but that doesn't help.

I tried using the same exposure/gain settings that work in Sharpcap but that didn't work either.

I decided to try using my Canon 1500D, and after much faffing around eventually got an image in the Liveview window, which looked good, and after even more faffing around captured an image - unfortunately the captured image has a pinkish tinge to it, the leaves on the distant tree weren't exactly green!
I guess that ranks as success, of a sort.
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Old 02-12-2022, 05:33 PM
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So, I'm sitting here, having a glass of stout, and pondering NINA.
I connected the Canon (and lens) to it today and did more playing with the imaging field. Using the Liveview I could get an image ok - but it was in monochrome. Switching to the capture function, again I could get an image but this time it was monochrome with a magenta tinge to it. I can't find any options that could cause this so I'm a bit perplexed.

For a free programme it has certainly been good value for money with all the time I'm spending on it.
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Old 03-12-2022, 09:09 AM
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If I get a chance I'll try attaching my Canon.

I've never done that, always used dedicated jobs.

I'll do it on my non-astro computer and note the settings if it works.

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Old 03-12-2022, 12:52 PM
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Thanks Neville, I'd appreciate that.
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Old 04-12-2022, 06:11 PM
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Thanks Neville, I'd appreciate that.
I spoke too soon, Richard:

NINA can't see my EOS1100D, and Canon is not showing up in the camera choices. Nikon is, and I've never attached a Nikon to this computer. I thought both were supposed to be there all the time.

I downloaded the latest NINA, same result.
Separately, the Canon control software loads and I can control the camera (that's how I use it on the observatory computer). The driver shows in device manager.

As I wasn't wanting to hijack this thread with this as a problem, I will now quietly walk backwards into the darkness...

Sorry about that.

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Old 04-12-2022, 09:21 PM
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Nothing to be sorry about, mate, it's all useful information. Nikon appears to show up by default (it does in mine) but not Canon, which seems strange to me. I don't have any of the Canon software installed as it appears that it causes conflicts, I just connect the camera via usb and W10 recognises it. It sometimes takes a couple of attempts for NINA to see it, though.

My suspicion is that when using the loop option (as opposed to sequencing) the image is only processed in mono as it's not critical, but when sequencing it will be captured in colour. The capture function appears to be in colour but with magenta tinging. It's likely a white balance issue but changing the WB settings on the camera doesn't make any difference.

At this point I'm not going to worry about it as once I eventually figure out how to take photos that will show if there is actually a problem. Likewise with the SV305, although why I can't take terrestrial photos with it in NINA is strange.
Thanks again Neville.
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