A single question re Big Bang Theory. - Page 2

xelasnave · #21 29-03-2023, 10:38 PM

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Originally Posted by croweater

I don't know Alex but given that Hawking says black holes evaporate does that mean that our universe is evaporating into a universe that is evaporating, that is evaporating.........
Cheers, Richard

Well yes that is indeed what is going on.

OK this just means the universe can only be finite...so my money is on a finite universe but I can offer additional logic that also conclusively established that the universe is indeed finite...now the implications of this is that first the universe must have an edge and that it'd must have a center neither of which qualities can go with an infinite universe but that introduces the problem as to what is at the edge of the universe and as nothing is an impossibilty we can only conclude that at the egde of the universe there will be something and that this something must go on forever but can never become infinite... this will be come know as the finite but never ending boundary paradox.

But certainly the Big Bang universe can never ever be infinite for obvious reasons that
dont even need to be mentioned given that reason is entirely obvious even on tbe most casual assessment.

Alex

croweater (Richard) · #22 29-03-2023, 11:26 PM

Yes, you are right Alex. It is blindingly obvious. I do put forward another scenario that although our universe is finite, it is a black hole, inside a black hole, inside a black hole and so on like an infinite Russian Matryoshkas doll. So our universe is finite but the universes are infinite.
Cheers, Richard

xelasnave · #23 29-03-2023, 11:57 PM

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Originally Posted by croweater

Yes, you are right Alex. It is blindingly obvious. I do put forward another scenario that although our universe is finite, it is a black hole, inside a black hole, inside a black hole and so on like an infinite Russian Matryoshkas doll. So our universe is finite but the universes are infinite.
Cheers, Richard

I was going to say exactly that but I was hoping you would play finish the sentence thing and you have so well done..however the number of universes is tied to a finite number of universes and infinite can not derive from finite...you can take a finite and double it and multiply it a trillion times by a zillion times but it will no matter how big it alway will remain finite..there no way a finite can cross the line to become infinite...nor can you determine fractions of infinite... take a big sheet of paper and draw an infinite number of one mm lines and get back to me when you finish and tell me how long did it take

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #24 30-03-2023, 08:44 AM

1) Our universe consists of an infinite number of other infinite electric universes.
2) Black holes are where GOD divided by zero.

Simple really.

croweater (Richard) · #25 30-03-2023, 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

I was going to say exactly that but I was hoping you would play finish the sentence thing and you have so well done..however the number of universes is tied to a finite number of universes and infinite can not derive from finite...you can take a finite and double it and multiply it a trillion times by a zillion times but it will no matter how big it alway will remain finite..there no way a finite can cross the line to become infinite...nor can you determine fractions of infinite... take a big sheet of paper and draw an infinite number of one mm lines and get back to me when you finish and tell me how long did it take

Alex

But Alex, I don't believe the number of universe is tied to a finite number. They are infinite.
Richard.

xelasnave · #26 30-03-2023, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Malewithatail

1) Our universe consists of an infinite number of other infinite electric universes.
2) Black holes are where GOD divided by zero.

Simple really.

As to number 1..How can you say there are electric universes when there is no evidence of electricity occurring in nature?

As to number 2 read my reply to number 1.

Alex

ChrisD (Chris) · #27 30-03-2023, 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

I was going to say exactly that but I was hoping you would play finish the sentence thing and you have so well done..however the number of universes is tied to a finite number of universes and infinite can not derive from finite...you can take a finite and double it and multiply it a trillion times by a zillion times but it will no matter how big it alway will remain finite..there no way a finite can cross the line to become infinite...nor can you determine fractions of infinite... take a big sheet of paper and draw an infinite number of one mm lines and get back to me when you finish and tell me how long did it take

Alex

On a number line you have 0 then 1, and all the other integers. 0 and 1 together are a finite set. However, this finite set has an infinite number of fractions contained between them. Infinite number in a finite set.

Our universe may be finite to us, but if a black hole contains our universe and our universe contains other black holes that contain other universes, that contain black holes. It could be black hole universes all the way down. So we are finite but contain infinite.

As far as drawing an infinite number of 1mm lines, I can tell you it takes a very long time, especially near the end.

Chris

xelasnave · #28 30-03-2023, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by ChrisD

On a number line you have 0 then 1, and all the other integers. 0 and 1 together are a finite set. However, this finite set has an infinite number of fractions contained between them. Infinite number in a finite set.

Our universe may be finite to us, but if a black hole contains our universe and our universe contains other black holes that contain other universes, that contain black holes. It could be black hole universes all the way down. So we are finite but contain infinite.

As far as drawing an infinite number of 1mm lines, I can tell you it takes a very long time, especially near the end.

Chris

But an infinite set really is not infinite..it is called such but the referrence is only to the numbers..any thing else in the mix is clearly finite...of course it comes down to definition and thats why it best to use my definition because the fact that it is mine gives one the peace of mind to know it must be correct because Alex after all is never wrong...and I am prepared to lend my credibility to the matter ..it seems the decent thing to do.

I have to be gentle with this news but there are no black holes ... I know I know I know,...but Albert and I agree on this one...he went to his death bed rejecting the notion of black holes and sadly folk cite General Relativity as the math in support of Black Holes...but there is one fact that remains overlooked by everyone...there is no such force of attraction..now Albert tried to avoid such a statement due to a personality flaw where he craved to be popular, by presenting his gravity as something that was not a force...and that was not easy let's face it...but he did just that clearly in recognition that he could not run around claiming that a non existent force which enjoyed an unproven attribute that humans in their ignorance call " attraction" as to do so was just not good science.

So if we are to have black holes we must show the true mechanism at play then fit your black hole into what will be the correct scientific model simply because it will be best at describing reality...fortunately I know but I don't want spoil the ending as it were...and I dont plan writting a paper
and renting a tux to go overseas for fame and a mere million dollars... I have my stuff to do.

Alex

ChrisD (Chris) · #29 30-03-2023, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by xelasnave

But an infinite set really is not infinite..it is called such but the referrence is only to the numbers..any thing else in the mix is clearly finite...of course it comes down to definition and thats why it best to use my definition because the fact that it is mine gives one the peace of mind to know it must be correct because Alex after all is never wrong...and I am prepared to lend my credibility to the matter ..it seems the decent thing to do.

I have to be gentle with this news but there are no black holes ... I know I know I know,...but Albert and I agree on this one...he went to his death bed rejecting the notion of black holes and sadly folk cite General Relativity as the math in support of Black Holes...but there is one fact that remains overlooked by everyone...there is no such force of attraction..now Albert tried to avoid such a statement due to a personality flaw where he craved to be popular, by presenting his gravity as something that was not a force...and that was not easy let's face it...but he did just that clearly in recognition that he could not run around claiming that a non existent force which enjoyed an unproven attribute that humans in their ignorance call " attraction" as to do so was just not good science.

So if we are to have black holes we must show the true mechanism at play then fit your black hole into what will be the correct scientific model simply because it will be best at describing reality...fortunately I know but I don't want spoil the ending as it were...and I dont plan writting a paper
and renting a tux to go overseas for fame and a mere million dollars... I have my stuff to do.

Alex

I'm hoping the "black hole universe" theory will get me that elusive all expenses paid trip to Stockholm.

Oh, and by the way, I hope the you're feeling ok after the radiation therapy. If I've learned anything from Hollywood and comics, it's that radiation gives you super powers. So you'll let us know what super powers you end up with, ok?

xelasnave · #30 30-03-2023, 02:37 PM

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I'm hoping the "black hole universe" theory will get me that elusive all expenses paid trip to Stockholm.

Oh, and by the way, I hope the you're feeling ok after the radiation therapy. If I've learned anything from Hollywood and comics, it's that radiation gives you super powers. So you'll let us know what super powers you end up with, ok?

I think you are indeed on a winner ...look it is a nice party but seriously you just can't really get plastered or even fight and if you pick up a one nighter fling the press will be outside your hotel room in the morning and the news will be back home before you can get to the airport.

I have been living with super powers for some time now but really you just dont get to use then very often and when you do folk say what a show off...mainly cause they are jealous of course...so what do you do?

I can already read minds but that has proven just so boring I went back to you tube...and really most stuff you ruin a good set of clothes and if nothing else have go wash and change out of the stuff with big rips and dirt all over.

It is not what it is cracked up to be.

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #31 30-03-2023, 05:32 PM

"there no way a finite can cross the line to become infinite...nor can you determine fractions of infinite.."

Because the universes are infinite in number and size, and always were, and will always be, in other words, are infinitely old, the above doesn't apply and doesn't even matter.

Malewithatail (Dick) · #32 30-03-2023, 05:34 PM

"I can already read minds but that has proven just so boring"

And my time traveling gets boring after Ive seen it all as well.

xelasnave · #33 30-03-2023, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Malewithatail

"I can already read minds but that has proven just so boring"

And my time traveling gets boring after Ive seen it all as well.

I thought I was travelling backwards in time but my watch had just stopped...
Yesterday I threw a party last week...why didn't you come?

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #34 31-03-2023, 07:52 AM

My stopped watch is exactly the right time twice a day. How much more do you need ?

xelasnave · #35 31-03-2023, 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Malewithatail

My stopped watch is exactly the right time twice a day. How much more do you need ?

But I know you dont wear it and keep it in your draw so I can tell what more you need...a watch that works on your arm

Thanks for sharing your time here and bringing some enjoyable humour...I mean your joke about there being infinite universes was priceless I am still laughing.

Have a good one

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #36 31-03-2023, 06:37 PM

I haven't worn a watch for many, man years as my electric field screws them up, ditto phones.

You might have seen the results of this when helping you with things that haven't worked, suddenly do work when I turn up.
I'm used to it.

xelasnave · #37 31-03-2023, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Malewithatail

I haven't worn a watch for many, man years as my electric field screws them up, ditto phones.

You might have seen the results of this when helping you with things that haven't worked, suddenly do work when I turn up.
I'm used to it.

This is true but now the secret is out of everyone will be after you...

Get your magic working there two gennys waiting....if it is not too personal can you touch my neck...

AND now That I think about it that guiding only started to work when you came...mmmmm?????

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #38 01-04-2023, 09:44 AM

I am used to it Alex, happens to me all the time. I used to have issues with things falling from shelves and off tables when passing by. Ive worn a copper bracelet for 40 Plus years and that's calmed it all down, but the force still breaks through occasionally.

xelasnave · #39 01-04-2023, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Malewithatail

I am used to it Alex, happens to me all the time. I used to have issues with things falling from shelves and off tables when passing by. Ive worn a copper bracelet for 40 Plus years and that's calmed it all down, but the force still breaks through occasionally.

Well get ready for to morrow... you have now created an audience so off we go..tomorrow only two miracles..I want my roof fixed first and then my neck please...

It is much worse than I thought... I sent you an email but dont read,it today,or you wont sleep tonight...seems we have wall that has moved ...

Bring the force with you.

Alex

Malewithatail (Dick) · #40 01-04-2023, 01:57 PM

Force will work, if not, add more force. Always works, something will eventually move.