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Old 04-03-2022, 10:40 AM
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Starting Again with a Spider

It is 12 months since I found I had cancer but even further back to doing any astro.

So after all the cancer drama, ruptured gal bladder, kidney failure and all those close calls with death I went crazy and started spending money I had set aside for a house or good caravan and I bought flash new gear (RASA 11, EQ8R, ZWO 2600 OSC and MONO and filters EAF and a neat cloak ..and a sports car which is dumb for a 75 year old guy who is near cripple...anyways thats what I did...but have not been able to use the Astro Gear at all due to health and weather....but I bought a new lap top, installed new programs so I thought I would reprocess some old data just to learn again really...I am so sick of the rain I cant even go for a drive with the top down...AND as I have finished setting up my van etc and run out of microscope projects I thought to re learn Startools etc.

I found some HA, O11 and S11 data of the Spider, all one minute unguided subs thru the 115 mm triplet refractor but I am not sure which mount the EQ5 or EQ6.

The camera ZWO 1600 mono with 7 spot filter wheel and all the subs were at very high gain (350) because at the time I was pushing things and seeing how Startools could cope..no darks flats etc...I cant find the old image but I bet this new one beats it.

So to get a Luminance I stacked the lot (HA,O11 andS11) approx 200 subs (three hours just there) then individual stacks for each of HA,S11 and O11 ..60 to 70 frames each...so maybe you could say the image represents six hours???

I stuffed up saving the perfect group having spent hours to go thru and throw out the rubbish so I loaded everything (rubbish and all) into Deep Sky Stacker and told it to pick the best 80%...it was late and I was slack because there were subs that half of the thing was just lines as the camera spat the dummy..lots of them..it would tick me off but I would not let it worry me back then...anyways DSS presumably threw the rubbish out although I did get some terrible stuff in two of the stacks that I have hidden...so I paid a price for not doing it right...but at least it made me figure out how to manage a mess...so it was good thing

I used 3x drizzle which is supposed to be useless unless you dither but I really think it helps...anyways my new lappy stacks them in a flash even when using 3x drizzle so why not.. whereas the old DSS on the old lappy would take 12 hours..and the final files were so hard to handle...now its a couple of minutes..And whereas the old Startools near died with the final stacks the new Startools manages well.

I binned at 25% because the stacks were near a gig each and because polar was way out for the captures the stacks needed a big crop to remove the stacking artifacts.

I put the four final proceeded images in Startools Composite and tried various mapping and honestly I cant remember what I finally selected...I am colour blind so why worry

The noise was managed well by Startools for each image but I ran the final image thru again and given the over the top gain the noise I find acceptable...in fact it is sheer magic how Startools manages...350 gain remember..not real flash subs.

I played around with the Composite image in photoshop as I like to do and fiddled with the dodge and burn tool, haze reduction and the colour adjustment to reduce the saturation...My daughter says its yellow and blue which is ok by me as I just want to avoid purple and green... and who is to say my colours are not representative of reality..yes someone who is not colour blind I guess

So now I will practice on more old data so as to be ready for the night I can use my new stuff.

Thanks for listening.


Edit...I added a second image coloured up a little so I can see what it looks like here...

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Old 04-03-2022, 11:08 AM
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Very nice!
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Old 04-03-2022, 01:18 PM
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Now that is pretty cool Alex,excellent stuff, who needs astro gear mate, just re/do some of your older stuff.

Hey mate if your are not sure about and old bugger like you driving a sports car, feel free to move it on, I'll help you out.

Stay well.

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Old 04-03-2022, 02:40 PM
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Thank you Bojan...I hope all is going well for you.

Thank you Leon ... I dont really have a problem Leon I am just giving recognition to all those who I take no notice of...I love pulling up some place and folk turn and look to see me getting out with a walking stick ... I suspect I know what goes through their head...I actually love the car ..it is a very safe car and good on fuel...it has a feature that when you hit a pedestrian the bonnet jumps up so they don't hit the motor..they say it is for the safety of the pedestrian but I feel good knowing my motor wont get damaged if I hit someone.

So I am trying out the new software stuff on some more old data stuff...I dont feel like doing too much today so I wont...but I do like playing with astro photos ..folk would not think it about me because I hide the fact but I like to read up all about these objects and we are so lucky that there is limitless information at our finger tips...not like the old days where you had to search to find a book at the library order it in and then memorize it in two weeks and take it back.
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You should get yourself a little red car as you and Alice deserve one.

They are rather cheap relatively ..insurance is not too bad and they are cheap to run. Because they are small you dont spend much money on car polish.

Stay safe Leon and say hi to Alice and remind her how lucky she is to have a wonderful man like you...not that she could forget I expect.

I am still waiting for that lap top to come up.. and my knives.

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It's very good Alex - all the fine wispy bits and a core which is not overexposed and we can see the "Little Guy". With your mention of the very high gain used - I'm sure things would have been better still with much lower gain, but one can still see the vestiges of what appears to be a nice dark sky . Hopefully given your new setup, you can/will let the RASA & 2600 do the light collection work for you and wind back on the high gain. With that and your nice dark skies, once the clouds clear, your images will be a sight to behold.

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Old 04-03-2022, 03:35 PM
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I like it, particularly the red version. Would make a nice gallery pic for your Van.
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Old 04-03-2022, 04:44 PM
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It's very good Alex - all the fine wispy bits and a core which is not overexposed and we can see the "Little Guy". With your mention of the very high gain used - I'm sure things would have been better still with much lower gain, but one can still see the vestiges of what appears to be a nice dark sky . Hopefully given your new setup, you can/will let the RASA & 2600 do the light collection work for you and wind back on the high gain. With that and your nice dark skies, once the clouds clear, your images will be a sight to behold.

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Thanks JA.
I have yet to get serious...like I dont take darks etc or even auto guide yet..I am all about enjoying the journey and learning by doing things one should not do whildt other things gall into place...I have had to fit astrophotography into a very complicated life that few folk would understand but I hope soon I can produce what I have been working towards...
Thanks again I do hope you are well.
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I like it, particularly the red version. Would make a nice gallery pic for your Van.
Thanks Glen

I have been thinking of printing out a couple of hundred to send to various corporations and government offices so they can hang them in prominant positions for the public to enjoy along with life size photos of myself ... but I really dont want that sort of attention.

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Send a hi res to Jonathan at S&T and call it spaceart or something.
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