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Old 04-02-2007, 09:49 AM
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ASPERGER SYNDROME - the verdict from the wife!!!!

My wife has been undertaking some research in her position as Co-odrinator of Special Education at her School. She recently had to deal with 12 children who have Autism or Autistic tendencies that have impaired their ability to learn.

So in the course of that research, she found this little Gem, sort of really nailed me with it!!

"ASPERGER SYNDROME

1. severe impairment in reciprocal social interaction, showing in
(a) inability to interact or play reciprocally with age peers.
(b) a lack of normal desire to be in the company of age peers
(c) lack of appreciation of social cues, resulting in odd, socially or emotionally inappropriate behaviour, usually thought to reflect "coldness", "stiffness", "emotional bluntness/immaturity", "egocentricity" or " (unintentional) play acting" (such as in the movies from the early period).

2. And all absorbing, circumscribed interest in a subject, such as meteorology, astronomy or Greek history. This interest may change in content over the years, but it's fundamental style remains in that it goes to extremes, excludes most other activities in is adhered to in a repetitive way and relies on wrote memory rather than meaning and connection.

3. A stereotyped way of trying to introduce and impose routines or the particular interest in all or almost all aspects of ordinary life.

4. Speech and language problems showing as
(a) delayed language development as compared with expected given the child social language background, (b) superficially perfect expressive language with a strong tendency to become formal and the dent and usually with a flat, staccato like prosody, and (c) mild or moderate impairment of language comprehension with concrete misinterpretations of spoken language against a background of much better expressive language skills.

5. Non-verbal communication problems, with limited or clumsy gestures and little or inappropriate facial expression.

6. Motor clumsiness was not a prerequisite for diagnosis of us burger syndrome in previous publications from the centre (Gillberg, 1988 ). However, as it turned out almost all were found to suffer from overall clumsiness on neurodevelopmental examination. We therefore decided to include it in yard diagnostic definition of Asperger syndrome.

No requirements were imposed regarding the persons intellectual level."

So there we go, my wife fitted me into this perfectly……… ……………………..

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Old 04-02-2007, 09:57 AM
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:00 AM
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At least I have an excuse now........
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:09 AM
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Oh oh...don't let my wife see that...therre might be a few more diagnosises of that soon...

But, if the shoe fits....

Oh, is this a Syndrome that qualifies for government payments?

As a new citizen I am anxious in to gain and take advantage of all of the rights now due me!
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Old 04-02-2007, 10:23 AM
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At least I have an excuse now........
It is nice to have a diagnosis to blame any aberrant behaviour on. My wife is a psychologist and I keep asking her "what condition do I have", but she says I'm fairly normal? If we ever make it to a star party I'll have her hand out one diagnosis per person just to help you guys out.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:00 AM
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I do actually know someone with Asperger's syndrome & this description fits almost to a tee ! (and yes he is a young astronomer )
I guess a lot of us have tendencies to some of these syndromes & more:
* Obsessive Compulsive *Asperger's *Mania *Co-dependence etc, etc .....
This does not become a problem unless it interferes with the normal functioning of the rest of our lives.
Thats the nice thing about coming here to IceinSpace, here we are all "Normal", well some of are anyhow
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:18 AM
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well great, now i got something else wrong with me. oh well, i guess it had to happen sooner or later. but it sure beats a head cold huh?
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:12 PM
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Does this mean we are all eligable for disability assistance?
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Old 04-02-2007, 02:45 PM
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I have a friend who confided he has it... but I enjoy his company as we have so much in common .
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:12 PM
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My youngest son is diognosed with aspergers.. yeah he's a little differant
well behaved and extremely intelligent.. The state education system really does try to help out kids with problems these days which IMO is a very positive step towards seeing all of us as we are .

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Does this mean we are all eligable for disability assistance?
Prolly not stephan LOL.. The fed govt changed the way they access this a while back ..Your presented with a form whos questions yes/no are aimed at an infant and just have no relevance to a young adult ..so you know your going to fail by the second page .. I found this really insulting in that
the specialist pediatric health workers who have worked with us over the years ,and indeed saved my sons and wifes life count for nothing in the scheme of things .. its all about cost savings ($960) per year .. which did help a little I guess .. rant over
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Old 04-02-2007, 04:53 PM
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No need to feel bad Houghy

"Oh she who must be obeyed" is coordinator for the Autism school on the Central Coast and has diagnosed me with my so-called nerdy tenancies, most of my friends (watch out anyone who is an engineer) and more than once cast me a few knowing glances at Lostock.

But we're in fine company with the likes of Albert Einstein (alegedly didn't speak till age five) Bill Gates (computer geek) and its theorised a couple of the great composers were single minded, antisocial outcasts.

So its not all bad news.

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Old 04-02-2007, 05:05 PM
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My post was a bit flipant...

It really is a highly variable condition though isnt it, the whole autism spectrum of disorders is a bit of a specific diagnosos grey area apparently, the impression i get is that there may have been an overdiagnosis of the condition in the past due to the convenience given by the wide criteria of characteristics.
I have had aspie mates, they seemed to have had more trouble than most coping socially when young, but i noticed that some of these people can become some of the most amazing and interesting adults i have ever met. And people like Tony Atwood? have worked for the better integration of aspie's into the wider community. My guess is that eventually it will become considered as not so much a disability but just another way for people to be.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:45 PM
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I am the first person to say that people like Tony Attwood and Temple Grandin are fantastic advocates for people with Aspergers.
However I do not think that Aspergers has been over diagnosed in recent times - more the fact that we had less knowledge of ASD in the past and in many people it was left undiagnosed.
Many people with Aspergers do lead normal lives and they are very interesting people with alot to offer. However it still needs to be classed as a disability as the rates of anxiety, depression, unemployment, divorce etc are much higher in people with ASD. Autism affects 1:100 people so people who can not lead so called 'normal lives' are people who you probably don't hear about.
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Old 04-02-2007, 05:52 PM
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Being different sometimes enables one to see things others do not see. There was an interesting show re a lady, I think her name was Fletcher, she understood how animals see things a simple matter really but she has been a boon to the USA beef industry by offering better design in animal handling facilities. I found it interesting she understood how an animal "'feels" and "sees” things around it... animals are not stupid they just have different inputs and priorities.
I know a young man apparently, with the condition, who has very poor social skill yet extremely bright. He was disappointed when accepted for a "special school” for gifted kids ...he confessed to his mother he tried really hard to get the answers wrong so he could stay where his (3) friends lived. Having made friendships he did not want to let them go... and yet he was supposed to not consider social things according to his doctor, but I thought his approach was very smart as he tried to control an outcome. He presents as if he is not interested in anything you say but will answer a question you asked months later as if all he thought about in that time was the matter you had raised the question upon.
Society can be difficult for anyone but it probably becomes more difficult for folk with the condition so that energies go to management of their environment as opposed to say learning but when focused they seem to be able to consume all information and retain it with no effort. I think it is wonderful that attitudes have changed only fifty years ago it was so different.
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:17 PM
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Hmm
What started out as a light hearted thread has become quite serious.
If interested check out

www.aspect.org.au

That facinating woman in the U.S.A is Temple Grandin. Her book "Thinking in Pictures" is a must read for anyone who suspects they have Aspergers
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Old 04-02-2007, 06:27 PM
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But we're in fine company with the likes of Albert Einstein (didn't speak till age five) Bill Gates (computer geek) and its theorised a couple of the great composers were single minded, antisocial outcasts.

So its not all bad news.
http://notmercury.blogspot.com/2006/...-einstein.html

"There are many good Einstein biographies on the web but most agree Einstein didn't speak until he was three and wasn't fluent in his native language until the age of nine."

I am not sure that this is correct - it appears to be just another myth about Einstein.

There are many. Dr Karl has a short disabuse at:

http://www.abc.net.au/science/k2/moments/s1115185.htm

about supposedly Einstein was a poor scholar. He wasn't.

Further, a number of biographies repeat the story of when his sister was born he was told he could play with her. He looked at her and said "Where are the wheels?". He was about 2 1/2 years old.

The creation and maintenance of the Late Talking Einstein Myth is explained in "The Private Lives of Albert Einstein_ by Roger Highfield and Paul Carter"

see also "Albert Einstein"_ by Albrecht Folsing, 1997

There are few reliable sources, but the probablity is that he was quite advanced for his age.
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:07 PM
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Sorry for not having the exact specifics of the life and times of Albert Einstein

"Further, a number of biographies repeat the story of when his sister was born he was told he could play with her. He looked at her and said "Where are the wheels?". He was about 2 1/2 years old."

Sounds like a child that could possibly show characteristics of ASD

"There are few reliable sources, but the probablity is that he was quite advanced for his age."

Not unusual
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Old 04-02-2007, 07:24 PM
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I have a friend who can not read or write. I only discovered the facts when I found him cursing the computer one day that it would not log onto the net...so I tried.. Finally I said "Mate it’s at their end ring them up".. He floored me by replying "I have but when I tell them I am illiterate they give up on me".... He is not efficient at web surfing but usually gets to look at the pictures he seeks.. Bikes cars boats clothes camping gear and finds downloads for games. I think given such a limitation he should be considered a very clever fellow but I doubt if anyone sees his genius.
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Old 04-02-2007, 11:48 PM
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Mark Haddon wrote a very interesting novel called "The Curious Incident of the Dog in the Night-time" which I greatly enjoyed reading and highly recommend. It's written from the point of view of a boy with Asperger's and was on (I think) the bestseller list a couple of years back.

Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/
The_Curious_Incident_of_the_Dog_in_ the_Night-time

Some reviews can be found here (hope the long/split URL works):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/product-description/
0099450259/ref=dp_proddesc_0/202-2844294-5359010?ie=
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well I didn't expect this thread to get that serious?
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