Are we it???

[xelasnave]

I dont like a finite universe but even if we accept a finite Universe on the current approach it is still very very big.

So big it is really past our comprehension even though we think we can hold a grasp of the magnitude.

Why is it so? what is the meaning of it all???

How often I look at all that is above and remind myself what I see is a insignificant fraction of all there is ......

So what is the meaning of it all....?

Often I am asked what is the meaning of life...

I dont know ..
do you????..

in the interest of easing boredom can we speculate upon the question that even a wise man stumbles to answer.

I look at what we all look at..the countless stars, the clusters..the galaxies and all of a sudden I am part of all that is....astronomy bring us close ..what is it that we get close to...........why do I feel at home out there ..why do I feel so much a part of the out there??

What is the draw we all experience.

why is it all there?... religious or random I cant help but wonder...

So here you go your opportunity fto offer something profound and meaningful...a guidance that other humans await...so many wait for your comment ...can you offer some guidance?..what is going on?...why are we here?

What awaits us ..what is our future as a species?

alex

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

What is the draw we all experience.
alex

Alex, whether you look into space with Religious beliefs, Scientific views, or no specific beliefs at all, just admiring the sky, there is one thing that drives all humans to look and wonder.

It is as old as the Human Race, and motivates, encourages, even obsesses some.

It is a Human trait.

It is simply called 'Curiosity'.

[xelasnave]

Without cancelling the other questions ... why are we curious???
alex

[GTB_an_Owl (Geoff)]

I think we are all a figment of our own imagination Alex

geoff

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

Without cancelling the other questions ... why are we curious???
alex

Because it is a Human trait!

We don't think to ourselves "hmmm, I think I'll be curious today". We do it automatically.

And no, I am not going to get into a Philosophical debate about the other questions (we've had enough of those), just answer the only one that I know the answer to.

[mill (Martin)]

Alexander we are here because we are here, there is no meaning, we live and we die.
That's all to it , there is no greater meaning period.
Sorry to all the religious ppl but that is a fact of life

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by GTB_an_Owl

I think we are all a figment of our own imagination Alex

geoff

A figment although our reference makes it sound smallish never the less you are right..but past ourselves there is more than we are.. I simply wonder what is the totally of the maening of all that is...a simple question calling for a simple answer.
alex

[GTB_an_Owl (Geoff)]

EVOLUTION

geoff

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by ballaratdragons

Because it is a Human trait!

We don't think to ourselves "hmmm, I think I'll be curious today". We do it automatically.

And no, I am not going to get into a Philosophical debate about the other questions (we've had enough of those), just answer the only one that I know the answer to.

A debate ... does this call for such.. I wonder. I guess some may see it as such.

A statement of ones true belief should be past denate unless it is open to ridicule for lack of considerartion....but that has little to do with ones expalnation of all and stuff as such.

Dam it.... have these questions been asked before... how could I miss them ... so all is answered some time before?
alex

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by GTB_an_Owl

EVOLUTION

geoff

but why should it work that way....survival of the fitest ...that seems so tuff on those who really try... but if not good enough their species simply fades out and dies.

Where do the rules originate ..who says it must be so... that some are better and that others must go.

We are dominate and other therefore must leave... there is little understanding for their ancestors to grieve.

alex

[mill (Martin)]

To make it as simple as possible (we are here because we are here ).
And there will be more worlds like ours ( or maybe not? ).
Just my 2 cents.

[xelasnave]

Originally Posted by mill

Alexander we are here because we are here, there is no meaning, we live and we die.
That's all to it , there is no greater meaning period.
Sorry to all the religious ppl but that is a fact of life

We live we die.... but why ..it could be otherwise so I still ask why?
alex

[casstony]

Originally Posted by xelasnave

We live we die.... but why ..it could be otherwise so I still ask why?
alex

Perhaps your question is flawed in it's assumption that there is a reason for being, other than that which we ascribe to our own lives? (not meaning to be rude in any way)

[AJames]

Why? That easy. To make way for the next generation.

What are we supposed to do? That's also easy... To make sure the next generation is better and stronger....

What's your purpose in life? Even easier... Be good, and listen to your mother...

So endth the lesson...

Now stop worrying about stupid questions and just get on with your life and try to enjoy every moment of it!

[casstony]

By the way Alex, though I don't know you, your interesting posts provide enough reason for being, and I'm just seeing the tip of the iceberg.

[AJames]

Oh...! and why are we curious? ...because we like to imagine what the world and the universe would be without us !

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by AJames

Oh...! and why are we curious? ...because we like to imagine what the world and the universe would be without us !

Huh?

I am an extremely curious person, and I have never wondered "what the world and the universe would be without us".

"We" aren't all curious about that.

My curiosity covers things like, 'how far, how big, why do we have flies, etc.

I am sure everyone has differing curiosities.

[AJames]

ballaratdragons

Sorry, you have slightly missed the point, as the argument here is both philosophical and rhetorical. It goes back to the nature of reality and the purpose of the universe. If there wasn't any intelligent life in the universe, then there would be no one to observe it, and hence no purpose. Like the philosophical riddle;

If a tree falls in a forest, and no one hears it, does it make any sound?

Similarly you could ask;

Does the Universe exist for us or regardless of us?

Actually it is more a question about the observer and the knowledge of the unobserved world and the difference between understanding about feeling, sensation and the nature of reality.

Hence, "...because we like to imagine what the world and the universe would be without us." - "us" meaning "intelligent life"! Ie. Without a purpose.

Andrew

[ballaratdragons (Ken)]

Originally Posted by AJames

Hence, "...because we like to imagine what the world and the universe would be without us." - "us" meaning "intelligent life"! Ie. Without a purpose.

Andrew

It's not the 'us' that worries me. It is the 'We'.
Speak for yourself, not for the rest of us.
Oh that's right, you did. You certainly told us your view of Imperial and Yanks

[AJames]

ballaratdragons

Sorry you have seemingly taken so much offence to this simple statement. Somehow I think both of us might be slightly at cross purposes here.

My response was more the do with mills was saying;

"Alexander we are here because we are here, there is no meaning, we live and we die. That's all to it, there is no greater meaning period. Sorry to all the religious ppl but that is a fact of life."

All I'm saying is "The universe wouldn't be here if intelligent life wasn't here to observe it." Like you, curiosity (of the universe) is the very reason of intelligent life existing - something to learn and aspire too that makes us improve. If humans had nothing to learn and no sense of wonder - then humankind would be like the Stoics - believing humankind simple "lives and dies." Like you said, and I totally agree, "My curiosity covers things like, 'how far, how big, why do we have flies, etc."

Well really so does mine and I think almost everyone interested in astronomy....

So to perhaps paraphrase what I said;

"...because we like to imagine what the world and the universe would be without us."

I more meant;

"...because humankind likes to imagine what the world and the universe would be without intelligent life to observe it."

Is that more acceptable?