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Old 24-07-2015, 02:05 AM
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The Eagle has landed...

Hi All,

Just sharing my latest image... this time it is the M16...

I imaged this at F10 on my 8" SCT hoping that with the higher magnification I would get more detail in the pillars of creation... it's better then the one I've taken about 2 years ago using a f6.3 FR but it didn't come out as well as I hoped it would, the OIII and the SII data seemed to be very dim, so I had to push it more to bring out some nebulosity in that spectrum increasing the noise...

I'm starting to think I'm reaching the limits of my modded 40D since my deep sky image quality seems to have stagnated...


Personally I prefer the look of the natural RGB image, even though the narrow-band data acquisition was much longer.

Image tech specs....

H-alpha: ISO400
7 x 1800s Subs
7 x 900s Subs

SII: ISO800
12 x 1800s subs
4 x 2700s subs
5 x 2160s subs

OIII: ISO640
4 x 1800s subs
6 x 2100s subs
5 x 1500s subs

RGB: ISO400
9 x 630s subs
7 x 350s subs
10 x 150s subs

Data captured across 7 nights in June and July 2015.

Thanks for looking... Criticism welcome... please be gentle...


Mariusz
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Old 24-07-2015, 09:31 AM
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Nice work Mariusz,
you've got some good detail of the pillars and I can just about make out both parachuters.
If you like the RGB version more you could blend the nb data into the rgb channels.

Cheers


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Old 24-07-2015, 05:42 PM
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Beautiful Mariusz! Really nice detail. Apart from the magenta stars I like the NB version better, but both very nice.
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Old 25-07-2015, 07:18 AM
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Thanks for the feedback gents...

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Nice work Mariusz,
you've got some good detail of the pillars and I can just about make out both parachuters.
If you like the RGB version more you could blend the nb data into the rgb channels.

Cheers


Rusty
Which feature on the nebula are the "parachuters"?


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Beautiful Mariusz! Really nice detail. Apart from the magenta stars I like the NB version better, but both very nice.
I'm going to reprocess the images and try to remove the purple halos with the "minimum" feature in PS... I'll repost the result.

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Old 25-07-2015, 07:41 AM
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Impressive narrowband work for the DSLR, Mariusz.

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I'm going to reprocess the images and try to remove the purple halos with the "minimum" feature in PS... I'll repost the result.
Forget the minimum filter. If you do decide to use it, make sure you upsize your image first. minimum filter will just reduce star sizes, it will not get rid of the purple halos. There is a quick and dirty by using the PS selection tool on highlights. This will get most of the bright stars. Or a more comprehensive method by creating a specific star mask of which I've noted below. both the quick and dirty and more comprehensive end in the same way i.e. the use of the saturation tool to drop the purple tone. You can get fancy and use the selective colour tool too. You'll find the comprehensive method by Russ is far superior. I use it regularly. You may need to increase the high pass radius depending on the data set.

Star Selection (from Russ Croman):
  1. Make a grayscale copy of the image. I'll call this image #2.
  2. High-pass filter image #2 with a radius of one pixel.
  3. Apply a Gaussian blur to image #2 with a radius of one pixel.
  4. Invoke Image->Adjust->Threshold.
  5. Adjust the Threshold Level one click at a time until just the stars are white and everything else is black.
  6. In the original image, in the Channels Palette, create a new channel. Name it "Stars." Choose "color indicates masked areas."
  7. Paste image #2 into this channel.
  8. Make just the RGB channels visible (i.e. make the Stars channel invisible).
  9. Discard image #2.
  10. In the original image, invoke Select->Load Selection. Choose the Stars channel you just created.
  11. Invoke Select->Expand and expand the selection by a few pixels (e.g., three).
  12. Voila!
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Old 25-07-2015, 09:57 AM
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Hard work at F10 but a good result there Mariusz

A good tip from Jase too

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Old 26-07-2015, 09:45 AM
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Impressive narrowband work for the DSLR, Mariusz.



Forget the minimum filter. If you do decide to use it, make sure you upsize your image first. minimum filter will just reduce star sizes, it will not get rid of the purple halos. There is a quick and dirty by using the PS selection tool on highlights. This will get most of the bright stars. Or a more comprehensive method by creating a specific star mask of which I've noted below. both the quick and dirty and more comprehensive end in the same way i.e. the use of the saturation tool to drop the purple tone. You can get fancy and use the selective colour tool too. You'll find the comprehensive method by Russ is far superior. I use it regularly. You may need to increase the high pass radius depending on the data set.

Star Selection (from Russ Croman):
  1. Make a grayscale copy of the image. I'll call this image #2.
  2. High-pass filter image #2 with a radius of one pixel.
  3. Apply a Gaussian blur to image #2 with a radius of one pixel.
  4. Invoke Image->Adjust->Threshold.
  5. Adjust the Threshold Level one click at a time until just the stars are white and everything else is black.
  6. In the original image, in the Channels Palette, create a new channel. Name it "Stars." Choose "color indicates masked areas."
  7. Paste image #2 into this channel.
  8. Make just the RGB channels visible (i.e. make the Stars channel invisible).
  9. Discard image #2.
  10. In the original image, invoke Select->Load Selection. Choose the Stars channel you just created.
  11. Invoke Select->Expand and expand the selection by a few pixels (e.g., three).
  12. Voila!
Thank you for the tip... I'll give your procedure a go and post the result.


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Hard work at F10 but a good result there Mariusz

A good tip from Jase too

Mike
I don't think its that hard to autoguided track at that focal length with my CGEM. Once I PA it seems to be accurate enough to give me round stars in up to 45 minutes subs (longest I tried so far). I only lost a couple of subs in the last few months and all were due to clouds moving over the object/guide star , and once due to forgetting to plug in the autoguide cable... and so accumulated periodic error did what periodic error does.

Now I'm going to try to get the bounce about the zero line in the PHD graph to be lower since I seem to be getting quite rhythmical spikes above and below it. Hopefully smoothing out the guide corrections will tighten the stars and overall image details will be sharper.

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