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Old 06-06-2015, 09:24 AM
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Jupiter Mythology question?

I have the following story about Jupiter but was wondering if the planet was named Jupiter already and then the mythology story(if that is what you call it) or did they name the bright object in the sky Jupiter after the story already existed?

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Jupiter was the Roman king of the gods. Considering that Jupiter is the largest planet in our Solar System, it makes sense that the planet was named after the most important god.
Jupiter was the son of Saturn. Saturn, who was the previous king of the gods, began to swallow the children that he had with his wife, Ops, when they were born. This was because he had been warned that one of his children would overthrow him. Saturn swallowed the children Neptune, Pluto, Ceres, Juno and Vesta. When Ops realised that she was pregnant again, she had the baby secretly moved to Crete, giving a stone wrapped in swaddling-clothes to Saturn for him to eat. Saturn believed he had eaten Jupiter therefore Jupiter was saved.
After Jupiter was raised by his mother, his destiny was to take over his own father, Saturn, as revenge for all he had done to his brothers and sisters in the past. When Jupiter grew up, he made Saturn vomit up all of the children he had swallowed. All the brothers and sisters joined forces and overthrew Saturn.
Then, with the help of the Cyclopses and the Hundred-handed Giants, they declared war on Saturn and the other Titans. Jupiter finally defeated the Titans and they were imprisoned in Tartarus.
Jupiter and his brothers divided the universe into three parts, Jupiter obtaining the heavens, Neptune the sea and Pluto the underworld. This is how Jupiter became the king of the gods. He is known as Zeus in Greek mythology.
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Old 06-06-2015, 09:49 AM
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I believe the latter.
The mythology already existed (which they primarily appropriated from ancient greece and gave the gods new names) and the planet was named afterwards.
I may be wrong but that is my understanding.
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Old 06-06-2015, 10:45 AM
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As far as I know the latter.
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Old 06-06-2015, 02:02 PM
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Hi Mark,

I don't think it can be proven one way or another but it is more likely that the planets were named afterward (in Greek and Roman mythology anyway). Either way they are old.

Writing hasnt been around for that long, early religions were quite complex and even within the same religion gods were attributed differently from place to place and differently throughout time. The greeks called the planets 'wandering stars'.

If you go as far back in writing as possible (3000-3500BC) to the Sumerian/Babylonian religions the goddess Inanna was associated with the planet Venus (actually both the morning and evening star). Inanna was also the goddess of love and fertility (sounds familiar).I believe this was the case for the other planets and their major gods and may be due to their advanced knowledge of the planets. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Astrolatry

If you move back to the greek/roman the creation story and Jupiter (ie ZeusPater/ZeusFather/SkyFather) you mention Ioriginates from Hesiod (700bc) and actually Homer and Hesiod differ in their creation stories (however Hesiod's became more accepted) and when they mention the night sky they don't refer to the planets (i'm not sure doing so would have really worked for the context in the Iliad ... the gods were on mount olympos). And before anthropomorphism probably more naturalistic forces or deities, with Zeus/Jupiter being a sky god derived from the proto european http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dyeus

it would be interesting to know when the Greeks started to identify the wandering stars with the planets definitively - it may have been before Hesiod and Homer's time there's over a couple of thousand years for the Babylonian influence to spread.

More from the wiki
References to identifiable stars and constellations appear in the writings of Homer and Hesiod, the earliest surviving examples of Greek literature. In the Iliad and the Odyssey, Homer refers to the following celestial objects:

Hesiod, who wrote in the early 7th century BC, adds the star Arcturus to this list in his poetic calendar Works and Days. Though neither Homer nor Hesiod set out to write a scientific work, they hint at a rudimentary cosmology of a flat earth surrounded by an "Ocean River."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_Greek_astronomy

Anyway i hope that helps and i haven't rambled too long:

... the earth, the heavens, and the sea; the moon also at her
full and the untiring sun, with all the signs that glorify the face
of heaven- the Pleiads, the Hyads, huge Orion, and the Bear, which
men also call the Wain and which turns round ever in one place, facing.
Orion, and alone never dips into the stream of Oceanus.
Iliad
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Thank you all and a big thankyou Russell .
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Old 06-06-2015, 08:55 PM
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Well... Ptolemy's Almagest was written about 149AD and the planetary names were the classical Greek versions of our modern names. Before that... Eudoxus gave a qualitative explanation of the naked-eye planetary orbits circa 360BC, also with Greco-roman names.

The Babylonian, Arab, Hindu and especially the Egyptian astronomies predate Eudoxus however the names used would have been fundamentally different, and you'd have to find a classics scholar that was also well educated in mathematics and astronomy to correlate the names; the Egyptian astronomical records destroyed in the fire at Alexandria (thanks, Romans) went back to at least 1200 BC.

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