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Old 15-07-2011, 10:37 AM
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Double star identification help needed

Hi all,

I have just had my copy of The Cambridge Double Star Atlas arrive in the post from the http://www.bookdepository.co.uk/ website (almost half the Australian price and free postage), and opened it. First impressions are great.

The one thing that I was hoping that might be in there ... which isn't is some sort of orbital diagram that show where the stars are in relationship to each other. I am confident that I can point my telescope at the right star BUT when I look in the eyepiece how do I know which is the companion star?

I do recall seeing the occasional orbital diagramme in an astronomy magazine for a particular double star showing where they would be in relationship to each other. That is the sort of thing I now need so that I can feel I have been looking for the correct companion star.

Any recommendations for either a website or a book would be appreciated.

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Paul Floyd.
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Old 15-07-2011, 10:44 AM
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An example of what I am looking for..

I just found this page which has examples of what I think will help me...http://www.dibonsmith.com/orbits.htm

Other suggestions would be appreciated.

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Old 15-07-2011, 11:14 AM
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Hi Paul,

I think what you are looking for is the Washington Double Star catalogue that is the most comprehensive catalogue and is probably viewed as the "master" catalogue.

You can download here:

http://ad.usno.navy.mil/wds/

It is maintained by the USNO.

Hope it helps!


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Old 26-07-2011, 10:43 AM
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Paul,

There is no precise definition of a double star.

We could state that a double star appears as a single star to the naked eye or even binoculars but appears as two stars in a telescope on higher power.
However, many double stars are not even visible naked eye nor in binoculars.
Many fainter and fainter stars are now being classified as components of double stars.
To what magnitude do we go? Especially if it is likely that they are simply in the same line of sight.

We could state that a double star is a pair of stars closer than so many arc seconds (say 200").
But then we have something like the epsilon Lyrae "Double Double", each double being 211" apart but part of the same system.
So how far out do we go?
And what about stars in a cluster? We don't normally classify the closer stars in a globular as multiple stars.
We certainly classify some close stars in open clusters as doubles e.g. DUN 206 in the core of NGC 6193.

We can say that observed (i.e. visual) binary stars are double stars.
Relative to the number of catalogued multiple stars very few have orbital elements i.e. a known period of orbit described as an ellipse.
Known binary stars usually have a relatively fast orbital period ( less than a few hundred years). So orbits have been observed or at least extrapolated.
How many have periods of the order of 10000 to 100000 years or more?
In any case, the vast majority of doubles have just not been studied closely enough. There are too many of them.
Many multiple stars might be just travelling through space together with no observed orbital rotation.

For brighter stars, it is usually not until you get a few hundred arc seconds away that the secondary components might start intermixing with other background or foreground stars.
If the components of a double star are within 50 arc seconds or even 100 arc seconds of each other, the brighter components are usually quite easy to identify.
Where spectral types are known, you can also use colour to identify some of the stars e.g. G5 is yellow, A4 is white, K3 is orange etc.
Example: Albireo has obvious orange A and blue B components.
Identification of A and B components becomes trickier where magnitudes and spectral classes are similar.

For a multiple star of three or more components, it might not be clear which is the A, B, C, etc components.
Often, the difference in magnitude and the separations will identify the brighter and dimmer stars, the closer and wider stars.
Failing this you fall back to the PA (position angle). This measure is given as an angle from the primary, anti-clockwise from celestial north.
It is often not necessary to know the exact direction of celestial north but simply the relative positions of the component stars.

For double star data, go to this site
http://heasarc.gsfc.nasa.gov/W3Browse/all/wds.html

Select Browse this table… at top left.
If you just want current simple data-
Untick the boxes pa date1, first date, class in the step 3 table.
Then tick the boxes pa date2, separation date2, comp1 mag, comp2 mag

As an example-
Enter gam vel into the Object Name at 4.
Then simply Start Search.

For gamma Velorum ABCD, magnitudes are 1.8, 4.1, 7.3, 9.4 rounded to one decimal place.
Separations and PAs are AB 40" and 221 degrees, AC 62" and 152 degrees, AD 94" and 142 degrees.
Using a 360 degree protractor you can plot these as shown in the attached diagram.
The stars form an obvious Y asterism and can be easily identified.

Regards, Rob.
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