Uncertain what a carbon tax is

[TrevorW]

Unsure what the carbon tax is or why we need it please refer to this site may be helpful

http://www.nocarbontax.com.au/what-is-the-cprs/

also please no politcial posts or climate change posts, this link was posted for information purposes only

please feel free however to post links to other sites that may contain relevant information to enlighten us

[multiweb (Marc)]

Oooh!...biting my tongue.

PS: Loved that one.

"This government has already reduced carbon emissions. Because of them we can't afford to turn anything on!"

[Paddy (Patrick)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

Unsure what the carbon tax is or why we need it please refer to this site may be helpful

http://www.nocarbontax.com.au/what-is-the-cprs/

also please no politcial posts or climate change posts, this link was posted for information purposes only

please feel free however to post links to other sites that may contain relevant information to enlighten us

If this isn't a political or climate change post, what is it? Certainly not just "information"

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

also please no politcial posts or climate change posts, this link was posted for information purposes only

Information?? This is just polictical party bashing, nothing else, I can only assume you are being facitious ....conspiracy huh?

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Information?? This is just polictical party bashing, nothing else, I can only assume you are being facitious ....conspiracy huh?

Nah... just an opposing view on what we are fed/bashed with on TV ads financed with our tax money.

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Nah... just an opposing view on what we are fed/bashed with on TV ads financed with our tax money.

No it's not, look at the whole site, it is childish at best, I know it's all fun but make sure you realise that

[TrevorW]

Originally Posted by strongmanmike

Information?? This is just polictical party bashing, nothing else, I can only assume you are being facitious ....conspiracy huh?

No not really I was posting mainly about the section about what is the carbon tax. I have my own opinion of this issue as do we all

if you have other sites that link to an explanation please post

(ps: check spelling for facitious ie: factitious)

I appreciate it may be only be one point of view and that they may be wrong or false and that is why I called for people to post links to other sites that they may be aware of the specifically deal with this issue

I did not want people on this site to get into a debate of the pro's and con's nor the political aspects of this because I know how people are have different opinions (strong) on this issue

[strongmanmike (Michael)]

Originally Posted by TrevorW

(ps: check spelling for facitious ie: factitious)

Sorry about that, you are correct, I got one letter wrong in facetious....look on the bright side, you can always hope my spelling error will prevent the introduction of a carbon price..?

Mike

[Brian W (Brian)]

Ok as no one has actually answered your question here goes;

A carbon tax is simply a tax levelled on corporations and or individuals based on the amount of carbon the corporation or individual is expected to put into the atmosphere.

Most corporations and or people would rather not pay taxes so the theory is the more you tax carbon emission the less carbon is put into the environment and we all get to breath a little easier.

Naturally the system is more involved than my explanation but the above gives you the basic idea.

Brian

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Brian W

A carbon tax is simply a tax levelled on corporations and or individuals based on the amount of carbon the corporation or individual is expected to put into the atmosphere.

Most corporations and or people would rather not pay taxes so the theory is the more you tax carbon emission the less carbon is put into the environment and we all get to breath a little easier.

Err... sorry no. The more you tax people here the less competitive our manufacturing industry is. So it's cheaper to manufacture overseas. Supply and demand. The stuff will get produced offshore. As a result overseas polluters who don't abide by the carbon footprint taxes because either they have none or don't give a rat's a$$ anyway will pump double the amount of crap in the atmosphere because their production facilities are a lot less cleaner than in Oz. So, see... back to the drawing board.

You want to make things better. You invest in domestic businesses giving them tax cut to reduce their CO2 output. Not penalising them. Giving them incentives.

[jenchris (Jennifer)]

What's the lensing effect of the extra CO2 in the climate? - should we be thinking of manufacturing correcting lenses for our scopes?

[Brian W (Brian)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

Err... sorry no. The more you tax people here the less competitive our manufacturing industry is. So it's cheaper to manufacture overseas. Supply and demand. The stuff will get produced offshore. As a result overseas polluters who don't abide by the carbon footprint taxes because either they have none or don't give a rat's a$$ anyway will pump double the amount of crap in the atmosphere because their production facilities are a lot less cleaner than in Oz. So, see... back to the drawing board.

You want to make things better. You invest in domestic businesses giving them tax cut to reduce their CO2 output. Not penalising them. Giving them incentives.

Ummh, sorry you did not read the original question or my reply very well. He asked what it was and I answered his question. Nowhere did I say it was either a good or a bad idea I simply explained the idea. Apparently not simply enough, my apologies.
Brian

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Brian W

Ummh, sorry you did not read the original question or my reply very well.

It's this bit I had a problem with:

the theory is the more you tax carbon emission the less carbon is put into the environment and we all get to breath a little easier

The only way a carbon tax would work is if applied globally and that's never going to happen. Otherwise you just offset the production locations. Seriously who really thinks we are having an impact on CO2 emissions in OZ on a global scale? Because the emission per head is the highghest? We're 20 millions down under. Pleeaase....

[Gem (Grant)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

You want to make things better. You invest in domestic businesses giving them tax cut to reduce their CO2 output. Not penalising them. Giving them incentives.

Bingo! Only problem is that is doesn't reward an already efficient industry. The bad ones have more to cut and hence more tax cut to gain.
The right idea though...

[Brian W (Brian)]

Originally Posted by multiweb

It's this bit I had a problem with:



The only way a carbon tax would work is if applied globally and that's never going to happen. Otherwise you just offset the production locations. Seriously who really thinks we are having an impact on CO2 emissions in OZ on a global scale? Because the emission per head is the highghest? We're 20 millions down under. Pleeaase....

No argument from me as even with 'carbon taxes' emissions have continued to climb. It is fair to say it is not really effective.
B

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Gem

Bingo! Only problem is that is doesn't reward an already efficient industry. The bad ones have more to cut and hence more tax cut to gain.
The right idea though...

There's always room for improvement and I don't mind getting taxed to help local businesses. Just want to know where my tax money is spent.

Originally Posted by Brian W

No argument from me as even with 'carbon taxes' emissions have continued to climb. It is fair to say it is not really effective.
B

I'm far from being a greenie but I'm all for a clean earth. I think we live in a little corner of paradise here down under and we're very lucky. Let's keep it this way. It's just blatant racket that I don't like. I mean have we even been asked if we agree with it? Why don't we have a say in the matter? Let's be smart and productive about the whole thing.

[AstralTraveller (David)]

Calm down everyone. As the second sentance says "It is a tax on emissions of the pure gas, carbon dioxide (CO2)." Since most if not all emissions are not pure CO2 there will be no tax.

The problem is that we as a society can't seem to debate rationally. There are two issues that to me are separate; (1) is AGW occurring and (2) what to do about it. Yet the debate is polarised between options (a) believe in AGW and support the carbon tax and (b) don't like the carbon tax and deny AGW. Surely we could consider more nuanced positions. Personally I like (c) think AGW is at least very likely but don't think governments here or elsewhere have the wherewithall to do anything about it being, as they are, servants of an economic system that requires continuous growth in profits (and hence production) and looks at only short-term private gain no matter what longer-term and broader consequences may be. That isn't being cynical, it's reading history and facing facts.

[Rob_K]

Originally Posted by multiweb

It's this bit I had a problem with:
Seriously who really thinks we are having an impact on CO2 emissions in OZ on a global scale? Because the emission per head is the highghest? We're 20 millions down under. Pleeaase....

By exactly the same logic, any person is merely one in 7.2 billion, and what possible difference could the actions of one possibly make on a global scale? Therefore no-one should feel compelled to do anything.

Cheers -

[multiweb (Marc)]

Originally Posted by Rob_K

By exactly the same logic, any person is merely one in 7.2 billion, and what possible difference could the actions of one possibly make on a global scale? Therefore no-one should feel compelled to do anything.

No. We definitely need to do something about it. We're all on the same boat. But just not this way. It didn't work offshore so why would it work here? We need to lead by example. Produce efficiently and show the way. We have the technology and the wits.

[mswhin63 (Malcolm)]

Just an excuse to charge a tax on business X% and the business to charge X+1%. The 1% will be administration fees.

It has no real commitment to reducing carbon in the atmosphere.

There is no alternatives available for the consumers to take on low carbon energies (especially in WA) for example electricity going up to make a profit (tax will increase with the profit too).
ie: There is no alternative for a consumer living in a rental property to take on a solar provider.

This is the wrong alternative for carbon change, the biggest is to implement cut-over to low carbon emitting products no just another tax.

There is already news for the world to brace for a second recession so the tax may only help pay to remain out of debt.

IMO