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Old 18-11-2010, 11:33 PM
blasterchief (Dilan Fernando)
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Deciding what to buy

Hi guys,

I actually said I'd make this a couple of days ago but got caught up with exams, so here it is now.

I've had a look around and right now I've pretty much settled on two scopes I think are good for starters and might last me a while.

I was initially looking at the Celestron AstroMaster 114EQ reflector, but realised for another $50 or so I could get another inch of aperture.

So right now I'm just about deciding between the AstroMaster 130EQ: http://www.ozscopes.com.au/celestron...telescope.html

and the SkyWatcher 6" Dobsonian SW580: http://www.ozscopes.com.au/skywatche...telescope.html

Are there any major points I should be aware of? I'm mostly driven towards the Dob at the moment because of the F/8 factor as opposed to the F/5 of the AstroMaster. I think I also saw once that the AstroMaster can be a tad uncomfortable? Also, this may sound silly, but getting a 6" Dob means you're pretty much lying on the ground if you haven't got a table or anything, right? Oh, and just another thing, I wear glasses but can see things at a short range pretty well, so I probably won't need them, but in the case that I do, does anyone have an idea of what kind of eye relief these scopes offer?

Also, is it worth sacrificing the aperture and focal ratio for the equatorial mount in the case of the AstroMaster? I've read it can be really informative about the Earth's celestial movements.

My other questions are about actually buying the scope. Is buying from online stores reliable, and has anyone ever used this one? I live in Melbourne, so there are a couple of stores nearby which sell scopes, one of which I think solely sells Tasco, so that just about rules that one out; I'll have a look at them, but in the case that they may be more taxing on the wallet, can I rely on an online store? What variables may I want to sort out with them, if any? I had a look at the National Geographic store at a mall nearby, and they were selling the AstroMaster 130EQ for $500, which is way out of my range ($350), so I'm not too hopeful about other stores. Also, does anyone in Melbourne recommend a store with good prices (preferably nearby)?

Lastly, I live in Melbourne, about a half hour's drive east of the city -- and I'm not expecting my Ps for a couple of years so I can't go driving around the countryside or anything -- what can I expect to see?

Thanks for reading, hope I haven't asked too many questions.

Dilan
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Old 19-11-2010, 12:59 AM
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get the dob mate, apperture rules, and the astromasters eq mount will be just a pain in the back side, dobs simple and easy to use, and it has far more light gathering power then the 114mm as well as the 130mm... its more bang for the bucks..

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Old 19-11-2010, 02:33 PM
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You won't be lying on your back with a dob, just a chair not too high is all you need

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Old 19-11-2010, 02:34 PM
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Hey Dilan,

Just want to put it out there - I'm just chatting with you on behalf of OZScopes (I work here), but hopefully I'll be able to help you out.

Hope your exams went well! Came across your thread, so just thought I'd see if I could help you along.

Between the Astromaster 114EQ and the SKyWatcher 6", they're both reflector types, so you'll have to consider a few other things.

If size is an issue for you, you might want to lean toward the Astromaster - Dobsonian telescopes are fairly large, and stand at roughly 120cm tall (about floor to shoulder height). You're right in saying that the 6" aperture is fully worth it, and aperture size is critical for many astronomers to view what they want to see, especially since you stay in a metropolitan area (and will surely experience some light pollution). If you're planning to bring the telescope out with you on drives, you'll have to consider the heft of the Dobsonian as well. A 3" aperture difference is significant enough to be able to experience a great improvement in viewing capability, and you can check out our guide to aperture if you wanted here: http://www.ozscopes.com.au/what-can-...telescope.html

It'll show you pictures of different celestial objects through varying aperture sizes, so it might be helpful to explain what you can expect to see through both scopes.

In terms of ease of use, I actually prefer operating a Dobsonian. You won't have to lie on the floor - the way it works is that it hinges on a base, and the base is affixed to a swivel disc. You look down the eyepiece at standing height, and it should be able to afford you decent views without having to contort - remember that as it's a reflector scope, you see what the top end of the scope (i.e. near the eyepiece) is pointing toward, rather than the bottom.

Re. wearing glasses, most eyepieces provide eye relief these days, and they vary from eyepiece to eyepiece - the telescope doesn't do anything for eye relief, it's entirely dependent on the eyepiece. The 4mm eyepiece for the Powerseeker 114EQ has an eye relief of 4mm, but they vary according to their focal lengths. You'll just have to adjust the distance between your spectacles and the eyepiece to find the right adjustment for you.

Ultimately, the choice between the Astromaster's EQ mount and the Dob's aperture size lies with you, it simply depends on what you feel would be more helpful and appealing. The EQ mount is popular for a reason - it makes it easy to track objects in the sky - but the Dob is also fairly easy to use, and it's large aperture size makes it a winner (at least in my opinion). Feel free to give us a call on (03) 9780 1802 if you'd like to have a bit of a chat (no obligations, by any means), and we'll do our best to help you out.

If you wanted to have a poke around other stores, one of the ones that come to mind is Bintel - http://www.bintel.com.au/
They've got a store in Camberwell that you can have a look at if you'd like.

Again, feel free to get in touch if you needed any assistance. Hope this helps!

Best,
Greg
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Old 19-11-2010, 09:33 PM
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The Astromaster 114EQ is a Bird-Jones design I believe and on that basis alone I would avoid.
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Old 20-11-2010, 01:33 AM
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Thanks guys, this has helped me quite a bit, I think I will probably settle on the Dob (as Tony said, it sounds like more bang for whatever buck I can spend), unless I come across anything else. And thanks Greg, I will check out Bintel when I can; I'm heading overseas for a month on Sunday so it'll have to wait.

I just have another question: On both specifications on OzScopes for both of those scopes it states 'Colour: No'. What does this mean?
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Old 23-11-2010, 02:18 PM
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Hey Dilan,

Don't worry too much about it. It's just a small technical error that we're trying to resolve, but it doesn't refer specifically to the product.

Because this particular telescope doesn't have a range of different colours, the field that shows up simply says "no" when nothing is selected.

Sure thing, Dilan - feel free to get in touch with us at support[at]ozscopes.com.au if you have any other queries and we'll do our best to help you out.

Hope you're enjoying your trip!

Best,
Greg
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Old 24-11-2010, 08:37 PM
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If you want a 4.5 try to find an Orion 114 short tube Eq mount olr one of their mini dobs. They are good quality.
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Old 25-11-2010, 09:14 AM
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Hi Dilan, go the Dob and as big as you can afford. Aperture rules for seeing anything and the Dob configuration is easy to use compared to the EQ mounts especially for a beginner.
I've got a wee 114 (4.5") but built a 10" (254mm) for much better views. If your exams do well maybe you can ask the parents for a bit of help and get an 8" via the second hand postings on here. It will be worth the extra and anyone on here will do you a good deal and help you get started. You'l need a couple of Eye Pieces too. PLenty of ggood advice from the experienced group on here, they've been a huge help to me in getting started.
Can't comment on your site at home but I live in Auckland, NZ and within 12 km of the CBD which gives me a fair amount of Light Pollution to deal with but I managed to spot NGC 253 Sculptor Galaxy last night so it can be managed around. Weather and clouds are more of a problem.

Good luck and welcome to IIS.
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