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Old 07-01-2011, 01:59 AM
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And you thought you had bad debt

The USA is financially 'up the creek' and we keep hearing about how they are 14 Trillion in debt.
So I went looking for the official 'Live' US National Debt clock and found it.

Look how fast their debt goes up!

U.S. National Debt: 14 Trillion and climbing fast! (Top Left numbers)

You will notice the debt climbs at a rate of $100,000 every 3 seconds.

Please DO NOT turn this into a political thread.
I only post this so you can see how fast their debt is rising.
Keep ALL political comments to yourself.

U.S. National Debt Clock (real time): http://www.usdebtclock.org/

EDIT: look at the U.S. Total Debt! (see it at about centre of the whole clock)
55 Trillion!
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:17 AM
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U.S debt is climbing at $100,000 every 3 seconds!
Australia's debt is climbing at $1000 every 2 seconds.

Australia's Debt Clock: http://www.debtclock.com.au/
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Old 07-01-2011, 03:15 AM
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Ken,

Although, it may be a bit out there, you might want to see Zeitgeist: Addendum (part two of Zeitgeist) to see how bad the financial system is.

It's quite depressing.

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Old 07-01-2011, 05:50 AM
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wow ken both time clocks are amazing!!!!!
i to don't want to get political but the american clock and dept how do they slow it down and start to pay back the loan... it just looks out of control???
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:42 AM
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Whats frightening is there was 1.6M bankruptcies and 15M unemployed.

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Old 07-01-2011, 09:43 AM
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And I'm pretty sure NASA's not responsible for that - it's time we devoted a few extra minutes worth to the good guys. (Is that a political comment? - at least it's on topic )
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:00 AM
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Queensland,SA and Tas are decreasing their debt interesting. Sorry I just noticed that SA is rising again. Thats if I have read the Aussie debt clock properly
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:12 AM
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How do I find the individual Australia state figures. I have tried clicking on the "AUSTRALIA" logo but nothing happens.

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I didn't have to do anything I just clicked on the link and it was there
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:14 AM
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I didn't have to do anything I just clicked on the link and it was there
I didnt see the second post with Australia link.

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Old 07-01-2011, 12:32 PM
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Blimey that's amazing and scary.

How do you even start to slow down a rising debt like that let alone reverse it.
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Ken,

Although, it may be a bit out there, you might want to see Zeitgeist: Addendum (part two of Zeitgeist) to see how bad the financial system is.

It's quite depressing.

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I agree its a real eye opener, you can also watch it on you tube
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Old 07-01-2011, 02:46 PM
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The USA is financially 'up the creek' and we keep hearing about how they are 14 Trillion in debt.
So I went looking for the official 'Live' US National Debt clock and found it.

Look how fast their debt goes up!

U.S. National Debt: 14 Trillion and climbing fast! (Top Left numbers)

You will notice the debt climbs at a rate of $100,000 every 3 seconds.

Please DO NOT turn this into a political thread.
I only post this so you can see how fast their debt is rising.
Keep ALL political comments to yourself.

U.S. National Debt Clock (real time): http://www.usdebtclock.org/

EDIT: look at the U.S. Total Debt! (see it at about centre of the whole clock)
55 Trillion!
1/ Interesting how the pollies have one rule for themselves an another for the rest of us. We save, they spend.
2/ Nauseating that this is our money they are spending
3/ Get ready for the crunch... Its gonna hurt
4/ I'm going bush next year, and we'll be off the grid more or less within a couple of years.
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Old 07-01-2011, 04:08 PM
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1/ Interesting how the pollies have one rule for themselves an another for the rest of us. We save, they spend.
For a change I don't think this is a case of different rules for different classes; I think the govt's genuinely believe they are getting the correct advice from the current crop of economists, the advice being that you can perpetually avoid economic downturns with more borrowing. This method allows the natural downside of the business cycle to be avoided for a time but eventually the debt becomes overwhelming and we get depression/war rather than a series of recessions. That's the way I see it anyway.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:11 PM
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Thankyou all for your intelligent treatment of this thread.
No Political agendas mentioned anywhere

H, I am half way through that video. Thanks for mentioning it. Going to watch the other half later tonight after I finish checking out the sky while it's clear for a change.
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Old 08-01-2011, 08:54 AM
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I must admit I don't follow finances/politics much but I'm honestly suprised that a state like WA is increasing in debt. I just figured with all the mineral resources they have and not such a huge population compared to the bigger eastern states that they would of faired better.

Good to see my home state (SA) leading the charge and making money.
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Old 08-01-2011, 10:11 AM
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For a change I don't think this is a case of different rules for different classes; I think the govt's genuinely believe they are getting the correct advice from the current crop of economists, the advice being that you can perpetually avoid economic downturns with more borrowing. This method allows the natural downside of the business cycle to be avoided for a time but eventually the debt becomes overwhelming and we get depression/war rather than a series of recessions. That's the way I see it anyway.
Politicians and Economists.... They are those sad individuals who believe that the only way to exist and be happy on this planet is to continually grow, population, consumption infrastructure... yadda yadda. We ought to shove a few, (all?), of them in orbit to enlighten them to the fact that there is a limit.

Part of me is debating whether there should be some kind of life support system involved....
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:01 AM
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Doesn't work on the iPad , probably some file required to run that won't,

That's the global economy, someone else is therefore making a profit. Probably china, the oil states.
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:19 AM
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I think debt per GDP is a more reliable metric to assess, and on that list the UK, France, Canada, Italy and Japan are all worse off than the USA.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...by_public_debt
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:20 AM
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Actually I am suprised myself at how high Japans debt per GDP is on that list (2nd, behind only Zimbabwe! )
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Old 08-01-2011, 11:49 AM
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Doesn't work on the iPad , probably some file required to run that won't,
Hi Clive,

The reason it doesn't work on the iPad is because the site uses Adobe Flash and iPads/iPods don't support it.
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