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Old 21-07-2009, 03:25 PM
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Pentax XF 8.5 - where to buy?

After seeing a lot of rave reviews in this forum about the Pentax XF 8.5mm I have decided to pick one up for my 8" DOB.

Looking on the web I found this store selling them:

http://www.reloaderswarehouse.com.au/optics/pentax.htm

Am I correct in assuming that even though it says it is for spotting, that it is the same one as mentioned in these forums?
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Old 21-07-2009, 05:27 PM
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Ignore post - found one at Frontier Optics.
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Old 21-07-2009, 10:44 PM
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Ignore post - found one at Frontier Optics.
That is who I was going to suggest!

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Old 22-07-2009, 07:57 PM
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Graham,

How much is it? It would be nice if they put the prices on their website.

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Old 22-07-2009, 09:07 PM
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if you want to look overseas
HK - http://www.tan14.com/gears.htm
Japan - http://www.kkohki.com/English/kkohkiparts.html

prices are on their site - depends on $Ex rate
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Old 22-07-2009, 09:39 PM
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I paid $257 inc delivery.

Preferred to get from local source - quite hard to find.
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Old 23-07-2009, 09:06 PM
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Thanks mate,

From Japan it would be $242 with postage, not worth trouble

But if you buy XW10 $549.00 from StarOptics and $442 from Japan, thats good saving
I wonder how much Frontier Optics want for XW10mm? Might call them.

Don't really know why XW 7mm is $749.00 from Star Optics and only $442 from Japan??

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Old 25-07-2009, 02:39 PM
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Well, this is what it says on Frontier Optics web:

"Our e-mail is read every day 6 days a week and we respond to all e-mails with in 24 Hours!"

I sent them email on Thursday night asking about the prices for Pentax XW 10 and 7 mm, and still no answer? Its been more than 24 hours!

bob

Update:

Finally I got email from them, there was delay from the supplier. And the prices are the same as from StarOptics. Still can't figure out why XW 7mm is $749 dollars???

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Old 26-07-2009, 04:19 AM
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Still can't figure out why XW 7mm is $749 dollars???
While this question was not the question in the original post but as the original post has now been answered, I thought I'd tackle this as this question/comment (and similar) comes ups regularly and often devolves into an accusation of price gouging in retailers and similar claims of misconduct.

There are a large number of reasons that can account for this price difference but most are related to:
* Small size of Australian market (for most goods)
* Currency fluctuations
* RRP (recommend retail pricing)
* Accounting policies and relationship to cost of stock
* GST and Customs/Import duties and transportation costs

Some or all might have an impact and I'll try and address how these things have an impact.

The small size of the Australian market for many goods means that manufacturers aren't often located in Australia and/or don't have a direct relationship with a retailer. This means that "Australia and New Zealand" marketing/sales rights are contractually given to a third party facilitator/distributor/trading company (in some cases there might be more than one "middle man" invovled) who then have contact with the retailers. This "middle man" will of course expect to make a profit creating a price gap.

As is often cited currency fluctuations can often create price differences however, the real issue with this is in how they impact on price of stock on hand. The value and method by which a company (retail and distributor) cost inventory can and does have a big impact on pricing and pricing flexibility. So even if the AUD$ gains, if one of the "middlemen" distributors work in a different currency that moved in a different way pricing might not fall with the strengthening AUD$ for the retailers.

Recommended Retail Pricing established by a manufacturer for a given geography might also have an impact. While the practice of "setting a price" sounds like it might be illegal it is not and is often used by manufactures on many goods.

Lastly, difference in taxes and duties and transportation costs can also have a big impact on prices.

Having said all of that, I am not involved with Pentax and don't know their circumstances, policies or their distribution chain to Australia.

I have worked in companies that experienced all of the above that had an impact on the pricing that we were able to offer to our retailers and ultimately end users and explains why there is a differene. Of course there can also be artificially high pricing for profit to but this is not nearly as common as people assume...most markets and products do have pretty good substitutes.

With this I will close my comments on this subject...
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$100 difference on the 10mm XW but $300 difference on the 7mm XW?
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Old 26-07-2009, 05:16 PM
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I understand what you are saying, but have you seen the prices for the rest of Pentax XW's?

Pentax XW10 XW SMC 10mm Eyepiece $549.00
Pentax XW14 XW SMC 14mm Eyepiece $549.00
Pentax XW5 XW SMC 5mm Eyepiece $450.00
Pentax XW3.5 XW SMC 3.5mm Eyepiece $450.00
Pentax XW7 XW SMC 7mm Eyepiece $749.00

Notice that 7mm is between 10 and 5 mm, both of them cost less than 7 mm?? Whats the reason? If other company sell them for the same price as 10 mm, why here it cost so much? Doesn't make sense.

Now, tell me whats so special about XW 7mm to be priced as 2" and even more??:

Pentax XW20 XW SMC 20mm Eyepiece $749.00
Pentax XW30 XW SMC 30mm 2" Eyepiece $719.00
Pentax XW40 XW SMC 40mm 2" Eyepiece $719.00

Kokusai Kohki sells 5, 7, 10, 14, 20 mm XW's for the same price: 31,200 Yen.

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I understand what you are saying, but have you seen the prices for the rest of Pentax XW's?

Pentax XW10 XW SMC 10mm Eyepiece $549.00
Pentax XW14 XW SMC 14mm Eyepiece $549.00
Pentax XW5 XW SMC 5mm Eyepiece $450.00
Pentax XW3.5 XW SMC 3.5mm Eyepiece $450.00
Pentax XW7 XW SMC 7mm Eyepiece $749.00

Notice that 7mm is between 10 and 5 mm, both of them cost less than 7 mm?? Whats the reason? If other company sell them for the same price as 10 mm, why here it cost so much? Doesn't make sense.

Now, tell me whats so special about XW 7mm to be priced as 2" and even more??:

Pentax XW20 XW SMC 20mm Eyepiece $749.00
Pentax XW30 XW SMC 30mm 2" Eyepiece $719.00
Pentax XW40 XW SMC 40mm 2" Eyepiece $719.00

Kokusai Kohki sells 5, 7, 10, 14, 20 mm XW's for the same price: 31,200 Yen.

cheers

bob
While I most certainly do not know (I don't work for Pentax), I would speculate that the reason is currency exchange and when the product was purchased by the distributor. Especially seeing all of the prices listed like that.

If you look at currency rates AUD$ - Yen based on the interbank rate (credit card rates are different) in the last 188 days we've seens:

The high 1 AUD$ = 80.438 yen
The low 1 AUD$ = 55.535 yen

The USD$ has been even more volatile against both currencies...

I would not be surprised if a distributor transaction with Pentax required two conversions (Yen to US$ to AUD$)...The reason I speculate this is that many "global goods" are priced in terms of USD$ for the terms of the agreement. When I used to inport "Stellar Seats" I had to buy the product in USD$ (they came from Japan) and then convert it to AUD$.

Just using the above Japanese prices would give you the folowing gap in price just changing currency once (Yen to AUD$)...

Starting at 31,200 as a base...

At the High exchange rate you get $387.87 as a price then add GST = 426.66

At the Low exchange rate you get $561.81 then add GST = 617.99

A difference of $191.33 so currency could account for almost $200 of the difference...if the stock was older than 188 days it might be even more dramatic...and if the transaction had to go through USD$ at some point the remaing difference could easily be related to that conversion.

While again I don't know with certainty why there is the price difference but I suspect it has to do with cost of stock in someone's inventory (could be retailer could be distributor)...Hope that helps...
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