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Old 10-02-2009, 02:40 PM
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Large Hadron Collider delayed again

It looks like we have to wait a bit longer to see if we will be swallowed up by a Black Hole
If they had employed me to do the Soldering the whole thing would have blown
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7880223.stm
up sorry Gary Ive done it again

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Old 10-02-2009, 03:03 PM
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Hi Ron,

Not good! What type of problems are they having or
would you have a link to a story?

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Old 10-02-2009, 03:13 PM
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Hi Gary I have added link.
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Old 10-02-2009, 05:03 PM
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Winter power load

Hi Ron,

Thanks for the link! (We have to keep you on your toes! )

I believe one of the issues they had come up against was that, by agreement,
for 22 days during winter, they can't operate the collider because of the enormous
load it put on the grid. So by the time they effected the repair, with it being winter
in Europe, they have probably come up against this stipulation, keeping
in mind also that it takes some time for the machine to get down to
operational superconducting temperatures.

The Institute of Electrical and Electronic Engineers (IEEE) Spectrum magazine
mentioned this in an article last September, which is also available online here -
http://www.spectrum.ieee.org/print/6690

The author of the article, Sally Adde, discusses the winter power curfew
and I quote -

Quote:
The LHC’s location enables a unique power procurement system: power comes in from both France and Switzerland. CERN has an agreement with French supplier Électricité de France (EDF) that guarantees a source of reliable, affordable electricity, with one caveat: for 22 days a year during the winter, power costs become prohibitive. (During that time, all the experiments at CERN are shut down.) The contract stipulates that the accelerators will operate mainly from spring to fall, when the public strain on the electrical grid is low. The agreement also means that CERN must reduce its electricity consumption on demand or pay a whopping fine.
Cost aside for one moment, I guess these particles have been waiting around
since the beginning of time for us to discover, so hopefully a few more months
in the whole history of time won't matter too much. However, for the engineers
and scientists who have devoted their lives to this machine, the wait must
feel like an eternity.

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Old 10-02-2009, 06:55 PM
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Hi Gary, thanks for the info.
The power drainage stipulation thing reminds of years, ago in Rockhampton,when they started up the Walking Dragline at the Moura Coalmine the lights used to dim for a short while.
I don't know if this still happens
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http://www.metacafe.com/watch/161375..._end_of_earth/


be kinda fun to watch... for a little while anyway
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Nice vid, its a shame the LHC malfunctioned So curious to see results from the testing and how things go down.
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Old 10-02-2009, 11:50 PM
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Nice vid, its a shame the LHC malfunctioned So curious to see results from the testing and how things go down.
Well any results are going to be at least three years off anyway. This sort of malfunction, while incredibly annoying, is almost unavoidable. The sheer size of the project is hard to comprehend.. But when they do get it up and running again it is going to take a long time to collect enough data (even though Terabytes will come out of it every second!) to give a result. Since the LHC has enough power to start probing beyond our current knowledge, the result may simply be 'we dont know whats going on'! Then the theorists will have to step in and and start thinking
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the delay would be driving them all crazy
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