Sign the petition!!

Nortilus (Josh) · #1 10-09-2005, 12:41 PM

Just do it!!

http://www.petitiononline.com/afer/petition.html

ving (David) · #2 10-09-2005, 12:49 PM

payed 140c/ltr this morning... nuff said.

(cept maybe that when i signed the petition i put $140 by mistake

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acropolite (Phil) · #3 10-09-2005, 01:50 PM

We are certainly getting ripped off and the current crop of excuses as to why simply aren't good enough. The biggest part of the problem is the governnment's excise and GST, they shouldn't be allowed to collect any more in taxes than the resellers make in profit, let alone put a tax on a tax as exists with GST on top of excise. I will sign the petition if I can ever get the page up, but the best thing we can do is give Johnny Arthur the boot he deserves at the next election. If you think you are being ripped off now just wait till they fully privatise Telstra.....

janoskiss (Steve H) · #4 10-09-2005, 02:13 PM

I know I may be risking my life by saying this but I'll do it anyway.

I for one am HAPPY about the price of petrol skyrocketing! Fossil fuel use is out of control and its potential impact on our home planet can no longer be dismissed. All those people driving around in huge tanks that never go off road and are often used to transport just one person really make me mad. Hopefully the steep rise of petrol prices will put an end to the big 4WD buying frenzy of the past 5-10 years.

Yes, it does hurt when I have to spend $60 to fill up the small tank of the old Corolla (and hate to think that soon it will be $80-$100), but when I think about how much more it will hurt all the incredibly self-centred people with their 3 tonne shopping trollies, it makes me feel much better.

On the other hand, I am not happy about so much of the price going into taxes, because I do not believe that Howard and his stooges are spending our tax dollars wisely or fairly... But let's not get too far into politics here.

Petrol is still very cheap compared with European prices. I don't think the excise should be reduced but, along with the GST on petrol, put into renewable energy initiatives and research in order to curb our dependence on fossil fuels.

PS. Can I still come to Star Camp without the risk of lynching?

acropolite (Phil) · #5 10-09-2005, 02:25 PM

Steve, unfortunately it's not as simple as paying more to fill up your car. You'll pay extra for everything because freight costs will rise. The upward spiral is also inflationary and could result in a rise in interest rates as well. I do agree with your sentiments on renewable energy though. I can remember that there were prototype hydrogen fuelled vehicles back in the 60s and 70s, what happened to that research???

Astroman (Andrew Wall) · #6 10-09-2005, 02:35 PM

I think I will ask my boss for a payrise to cover the costs of me going to work every day to pay for his petrol.

davidpretorius · #7 10-09-2005, 02:52 PM

last financial year ending June 30 2005, my business costs were up 10% due to fuel and freight to send my products around tassie. My wholesaling business sees trends that take around 6 months to funnel thru to retail , so just after xmas, prices will be going up!

That my friends will soon be passed on in the next 12 months, but as always, the government will be reactive, not proactive.

yes, listening to parliament on the radio, there question gets asked continually from minor parties, where is the equivalent investment in alternative fuels that is being invested into coal and oil!!!!

petrol companies know that in say 50 years, we will have used up the oil. it takes 10 to 15 years to get a return on investment into a new oil platform at sea. major movers and shakers are asking the question, is it really worth going out and building new oil platforms over the next 10 years, if the oil is going to be running out anyway.

less oil, more demand from china, the price will keep going up!!!

I for one would love to by a hybrid, I don't mind taking a pay cut thru the business to do what i can. surely the government could give a tax rebate ot 10% to 15% on lease costs if you buy a hybrid. It would not cost them much at all. Why not every government car going hybrid?

Most business people I know are now green thinkers, they are not activists, they are more in tune with things. Forget a tax cut, just take that and invest in proactive future proofing ideas. Not hard really.

Yes janoskiss, people are wasteful with fuel juzzlers.

Daring Dave · #8 10-09-2005, 02:56 PM

I received this spam today..
Im sorry its in CAPS...Im sure some might believe it...

IT HAS BEEN CALCULATED THAT IF EVERYONE IN AUSTRALIA
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COMPANIES.

THEREFORE THURSDAY SEPTEMBER 22nd HAS BEEN FORMALLY DECLARED "STICK IT
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TO AS MANY PEOPLE AS YOU CAN AND AS QUICKLY AS YOU CAN TO GET THE WORD
OUT.

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PRICES THAT THE ARAB NATIONS PROMISED TWO WEEKS AGO?

REMEMBER ONE THING, NOT ONLY IS THE PRICE OF PETROL GOING
UP BUT AT THE SAME TIME AIRLINES ARE FORCED TO RAISE THEIR PRICES,
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Jonathan · #9 10-09-2005, 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by janoskiss

I for one am HAPPY about the price of petrol skyrocketing! Fossil fuel use is out of control and its potential impact on our home planet can no longer be dismissed. All those people driving around in huge tanks that never go off road and are often used to transport just one person really make me mad. Hopefully the steep rise of petrol prices will put an end to the big 4WD buying frenzy of the past 5-10 years.:

Fair point Steve, I saw on ACA a few months ago that 4X4 sales were falling quite steeply. I don't understand why people buy big thirsty 4X4's for doing the shopping and taking the kids to school. I've owned 2 modern 4X4's in the last 3 years and I actually used them for off-road, hunting, camping and other things that most 4X4 owners would never consider using theirs for. Apart from their designed use (off-road) they are horrible to drive. Try squeezing into shopping centre car parks, reversing out of driveways safely or overtaking a road train with ease, give me a normal car for half the price any day.
Another thing to consider with the current fuel price is the total cost of owning and running a car. I bought a new car 12 months ago. In that time I've done just over 18,000km. So in rough figures I've spent about $2,000 on petrol, but the value of the car has dropped about $10,000

, so while an extra 30c a litre adds up to a bit, it's not much in comparison to the depreciation of a new car. It's a different story with an older car of course. I'm lucky now with my new job that I only have to travel 45km a week so the price of petrol doesn't bother me at all, but it will be interesting to see what happens with freight costs etc.

Striker (Tony) · #10 10-09-2005, 04:52 PM

I do feel sorry for you guys...but I have company Car with a Company Shell fuel card....so I dont care.

Sorry if I sound harsh...but least I'm honest....hehehe

#11 10-09-2005, 05:37 PM

The greatest windfall for the Government was the "Get Stuffed Tax" or GST, and it will only get worse. All other countries that started one of these ripoff taxes have climbed from their initial 10% or whatever and within 10 yrs have doubled their Gst or Vat or whatever other name they want to call the extortion. They have raised record taxes, and we were lead to believe that the GST would cover everything, including wine, fags and fuel. Wrong, the excise stays on these items just to double shaft us.
I know we arent supposed to swear on the forum but take it as said what I would like to do to this mongrel we call a Prime Minister. And god help us if his "smiling assassin" mate Costello takes over, he is one dangerous slimy dude.

Just my 2cents worth +gst.

#12 11-09-2005, 01:26 AM

Yeah and the sooner this (*expletive*) Howard shuffles off his mortal coil the better off we all will be, then we can await the rise of Abbott and Costello, oops maybe Howard should stick around a little longer, long enough for Abbott to once again stuff his big clod hopper in his gob and hopefully get the boot out of politics. God what a collective of (*expletive*)

janoskiss (Steve H) · #13 11-09-2005, 01:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iluvsaturn

...get the boot out of politics. God what a collective...

Allright that's two violations of the Forum Rules in the one post!! In the lockup with you fella!

Starkler (Geoff) · #14 11-09-2005, 10:20 AM

Ok guys, regardless of personal political feelings please remember that its not acceptable to use offensive language on this forum.

My personal opinion is that the gov should agree to cap the excise at an equivalent petrol price of say $1.05 per litre, and allow for maximum increases of CPI annually if the petrol price at the time supports it.
It is not for the government to be profiteering from abnormal market conditions.

Quote:

Originally Posted by striker

I do feel sorry for you guys...but I have company Car with a Company Shell fuel card....so I dont care.

You should care as the costs will filter down to every purchase made in increased transport costs and higher costs of plastics and any other petrochemical based goods. As people think twice before going on holidays or making discretionary car trips there will be a big ripple effect right throughout the economy.

#15 11-09-2005, 10:52 AM

Starkler, considering the vermin that we are talking about, I dont believe the language is offensive, these clowns have perfected being offensive and corrupt to the core. The mind boggles that Australians actually voted for these "YOU KNOW WHATS".
"Honest Johnny" didnt get this nickname for nothing. If he and his scheming lot have their way, 5% of Australians will control/earn 99% of the money, and the rest get shafted.

Starkler (Geoff) · #16 11-09-2005, 11:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Exfso

Starkler, considering the vermin that we are talking about, I dont believe the language is offensive

There was one post that I had to edit to remove offensive language.

xstream (John) · #17 11-09-2005, 02:07 PM

The way I look at it the more money these mongrels shaft out of us the less we have for astro goodies.

Striker (Tony) · #18 11-09-2005, 02:12 PM

I'm glad I'm not a politician....

Everyone has their own views I suppose.

cometcatcher (Kevin) · #19 12-09-2005, 03:34 AM

Could be worse. In Europe they are paying 2-3 times the price we are. One would think with those prices they would all be driving hybrid or non petrol cars but apparently not?

ving (David) · #20 12-09-2005, 11:05 AM

kevins right you know. our fule prices comparitivley are considerably less. not happy bout it tho.
johnnys a clown pole (sorry bout the foul language)