2800 JFK files released. 300 redacted by request CIA/FBI for "national security"

[gary]

If you visit the Sixth Floor Museum at Dealey Plaza in Dallas, site of the
former Texas Schoolbook Depository, there are long queues that flow
outside.

Dealey Plaza and the museum is Dallas's premier landmark.

Public interest with regards the events that took place there on
Friday, November 22, 1963 at 12:30 p.m still run high.

However, for history buffs anxiously awaiting the release of previously classified
documents related to the John F. Kennedy assassination, you will be disappointed.

Originally Posted by Todd J. Gillman, Sydney Morning Herald

Dallas: Citing national security concerns, US President Donald Trump ordered some of the John F. Kennedy assassination files due for release on Thursday to remain sealed for at least another 180 days.

The CIA and FBI objected to release of the material, much of it 54 years old, and the President said he "had no choice" but to agree that the concerns raised justify a delay because the risk of irreversible harm outweighs the public interest in "immediate disclosure".

Story here in the Sydney Morning Herald :-
http://www.smh.com.au/world/donald-t...26-gz9a30.html

[LewisM]

The Inside Job continues to be covered up in perpetuity....

[astroron (Ron)]

One should have expected nothing less.
This will go on for ever.
They will never tell the whole story, even in 100 years time.

[xelasnave]

One can only wonder why the need to hold something back.
Presumably national security is the reason for things being classified as secret so what could be the threat if the remaining stuff must remain secret.
Another question would be who stands in the way of release and if they can be identified what reasons do they offer as to why some things must still stay secret.
Alex

[gary]

The Guardian is running live updates of some of the more interesting files
that have been released today.

Obviously a lot of people scouring these as fast as possible to glean
what they can from them.

And some of the documents do make for fascinating reading and provide
further insight into the tensions of the Cold War.

For example, some of the documents are revealing that sources within the KGB were
equally shocked over the assassination of JFK and that some Soviets,
like many in the United States, were convinced of a conspiracy.

One document cites a "source" that stated some members of the Soviet
Communist Party were convinced of an organized "ultraright" conspiracy.
These Soviets feared a coup within the United States that might see
a rogue general launching a nuclear strike against the Soviet Union.

Obviously in the aftermath of the arrest of Lee Harvey Oswald, there was
a lot of hatred within the United States for the alleged assassin.
Documents reveal that the FBI had received a call from someone
the night before Ruby shot Oswald who said that they were a
member of a committee who planned to kill Oswald.

It may have been a crank call, but ...

Originally Posted by J Edgar Hoover memo

“We at once notified the chief of police and he assured us Oswald would be given sufficient protection. This morning we called the chief of police again warning of the possibility of some effort against Oswald and again he assured us adequate protection would be given. However, this was not done.”

Live feed :-
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...iracy-theories

[Wavytone]

usually things redacted concern people who are still alive, or would create a threat to their immediate family, or expose aspects of the methods used by the CIA/FBI which if exposed would be useful to those intending to commit a crime.

And whether they were redacted because they implicate CIA/FBI involvement... we’ll never know.

[gary]

This previously Top Secret document released today, dated 30th May 1975,
details CIA plans and attempts to assassinate various foreign leaders.

It is entitled "Summary of Facts. Investigation of CIA Plans to Assassinate
Foreign Leaders" and was gathered by the Executive Director of the CIA,
who would have been William Colby at the time.

No surprises that Fidel Castro was one target.

It reveals that when Robert Kennedy was Attorney General, that when
he learnt of one assassination plan for the CIA to kill Castro, that
he ordered no such attempt be made without checking with the
Department of Justice. Likewise, if the CIA were to use the Mafia
in such an attempt, it was not to do so without checking with
the Department of Justice.

Richard Helms, who was CIA Director 1966-1972, said he was "vaguely
aware" of some of the CIA assassination schemes on Castro
and called them "hairbrained".

Which adds some weight to the talk for years of the various crazy plots.

https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32112745.pdf

[gary]

We've known for years of Lee Harvey Oswald's visit to the Soviet Embassy
in Mexico City on 1 October 1963.

It was alleged by the CIA he met with the consul, Valeriy Vladimirovich Kostikov,
who the CIA identified as a KGB officer and a member of a unit “responsible
for sabotage and assassination”.

So even the CIA were thinking of a Soviet conspiracy.

Originally Posted by The Guardian

According to an intercepted phone call in Mexico City, Lee Oswald was at the Soviet embassy there on 28 September 1963 and spoke with the consul, Valeriy Vladimirovich Kostikov. This was learned when Oswald called the Soviet embassy on 1 October, identifying himself by name and speaking broken Russian, stating the above and asking the guard who answered the phone whether there was “anytihng new concerning the telegram to Washington.” The guard chekced and told Oswald that a request had been sent, but nothing had as yet been received.

The FBI liaison officer, Mr Pappich, told me on 23 November that the Bureau has reason to believe that Oswald’s visit was to get Soviet support for a US passport or visa matter.

The CIA chief the calls Kostikov “an identified KGB officer” and a member of Department 13, a unit “responsible for sabotage and assassination”. He cites a source, a German national woman who lives in Oklahoma, met with Kostkikov and another Department 13 officer, Oleg Brykin. “Of course it is not usual for a KGB agent on a sensitive mission to have such overt contact with a Soviet embassy,” the CIA chief continues..

But a 2013 Frontline story by John Newman states that a CIA intercepted phone call to Kostikov was made by someone impersonating Oswald.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...d-mexico-city/

We know that the CIA had two phone tapping ("teltaps" in CIA jargon) operations in progress in Mexico City targeting the Soviets and Cubans and that
one of these was done in collaboration with the Mexican Government with whom they shared some of the intelligence.

The CIA and the Mexicans were certainly keen not to reveal to anyone they were doing this.
Echoes of the Zimmermann Telegram in not wanting to tip their hand.

[gary]

JFK Assassination Records - 2017 Additional Documents Release
https://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/2017-release

[JA]

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[gary]

A memo on 23 Nov 63 from the CIA to J Edgar Hoover reported that MI-5 informed the
CIA London Station that a senior reporter at the Cambridge News in
England had received an anonymous call 25 minutes before the assassination.

The caller told the reporter that he should call the American Embassy in
London for some big news and then hung up.

The reporter, upon later hearing news of the assassination, called the
police and they in turn contacted MI-5.

Document here :-
https://www.archives.gov/files/resea...d-32389606.pdf

[xelasnave]

It would seem it is now too late to work out if the Warren Commission had it right or if there were other folk involved in the assasination.

I had a look around to find stuff on this on utube and it seems we have various people confessing to being the second shooter and all sorts of versions of events etc...how will we ever know what really happened.

I think probably the release of more documents may only muddy the water further.

I recall seeing a movie wherein the author presented the case that a hung over FBI or CIA agent in a following car slipped and his gun went off and it was he who shot the president.

One thing is clear the person or persons responsible never faced court ... even Oswald did not have his day in court.

And I expect even if he had gone to trial there would be those in the public that would believe he did it acting alone and others who would read into the facts various conspiracies.

alex

alex

[JA]

The US House Select Committee on Assassinations (JFK & Martin Luther King) in the mid 70's, many years after the Warren Commission Investigation, concluded that there was in fact a conspiracy in the case of the JFK assassination, but largely otherwise somehow(?) supported some other aspects of the Warren commission's earlier findings. They were apparently able to conclude that the conspiracy didn't involve Russia, Cuba, the FBI or the CIA. I suppose atleast not overtly or directly anyway..

Best
JA

[gary]

Originally Posted by JA

The US House Select Committee on Assassinations (JFK & Martin Luther King) in the mid 70's, many years after the Warren Commission Investigation, concluded that there was in fact a conspiracy in the case of the JFK assassination, but largely otherwise somehow(?) supported some other aspects of the Warren commission's earlier findings. They were apparently able to conclude that the conspiracy didn't involve Russia, Cuba, the FBI or the CIA. I suppose atleast not overtly or directly anyway..

Best
JA

Hi JA,

Thanks for the post.

For interested readers, a copy of the House Select Committee on Assassinations (HSCA) Final Report can be found here :-
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc.html?docId=800

Appendices, etc. found here :-
https://www.maryferrell.org/php/show...hp?docset=1001

The starting page of HSCA section that states "The Committee believes on the
basis of evidence available to it, that President John F Kennedy was
probably assassinated as a result of conspiracy. The Committee is
unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy"
can be found here :-
https://www.maryferrell.org/showDoc....d=125&tab=page

[Visionary (David)]

It all makes for excellent Hollywood fodder.

[clive milne]

One thing you can take home as a surety is that; "IF" the CIA, FBI, military industrial octopus / deep state were involved, with the assistance of the main stream media maintaining the olive leaf of credibility over the stinking carcass of utter implausibility....
You ain't gonna hear an honest and truthful account from the CIA, FBI, military industrial octopus, deep state or the lame stream presstitutes..

Look over here... look at the left hand...

Behold: Unicorns and magic bullets.


.... An interesting gambit by Trump, however...



Also, it's a fascinating insight in to the priorities of the 'Octopus' wherein terabytes of information pertaining to financial scandals and terrorist actions (re -911) were destroyed after a few years (because they were no longer relevant... apparently) .... enter that as a search string on something other than Google... just for fits and giggles..
Yet, the actions of a lone, non-state assisted gunman is a critical secret of immediate concern.... half a century later...

You can see the logic there..

[Shano592 (Shane)]

This is where Wikileaks' value would be. They could leak them on a subscriber basis, and make their own money!

Imagine trying to sneak the 300 held-back documents out though! They would have a thousand tripwires on them, guaranteed.

[clive milne]

Don't kid yourself... Assange is controlled opposition.

It's all pablum for the prol's

Hegelian dialectic 101

[clive milne]

In a nut shell:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Limited_hangout

[Merlin66 (Ken)]

Come on guys, we all really know it was Marilyn Munro's boyfriend....