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Old 09-12-2023, 08:19 AM
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M17 The Omage Nebula

Another week, another "Out-of-Season" Astro image taken much earlier in the year.



This time, we're spending ~14 hours in M17, the Omega (or Swan) Nebula.


I had never imaged this before, mostly because it had never appealed to me an an interesting target. I had some free imaging time up my sleeve during the past Milky Way season and finally decided to give this one a go. To my surprise I've found that there is a nuance of rich detail and a pleasing asymmetry to the nebula, made apparent with the longer integration time.


Enjoy! And as always, C&C is welcome!


I Encourage you to check it out on Astrobin! The compression artifacts to meet the forum guidelines do this one a disservice!
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I normally would not have commented…but as you did ask:

The star profiles and colour variation is good. But I really dislike the palette. What physical process are you revealing/highlighting with this choice?

Localised sharpening at the bright nebula core is at odds with soft data elsewhere. Stray blue and red pixels (I’m guessing noise) are speckled in the shadows,
which themselves are often a muddy colour. Framing and field of view is also good, but sadly doesn’t salvage the muted pastel look of this rendition.

Hey, but if this look floats ‘yer boat…then absolutely ignore my astro-world view and be happy.
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Old 10-12-2023, 11:31 AM
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I normally would not have commented…but as you did ask:

The star profiles and colour variation is good. But I really dislike the palette. What physical process are you revealing/highlighting with this choice?

Localised sharpening at the bright nebula core is at odds with soft data elsewhere. Stray blue and red pixels (I’m guessing noise) are speckled in the shadows,
which themselves are often a muddy colour. Framing and field of view is also good, but sadly doesn’t salvage the muted pastel look of this rendition.

Hey, but if this look floats ‘yer boat…then absolutely ignore my astro-world view and be happy.

Hi Peter, Thank you for taking the time to not only look at the image, but provide such a thoughtful and critical response. (I did ask, after all)



Without trying to deflect from your points or come across as defensive; I'm still trying to define my style with regards to preferred palette and processing techniques.


As for the physical process I'm trying to show with my palette choice... The OIII is the star of the show I suppose. I do not see a lot of people sinking 20+ hours into these bright winter targets, and I think the subtlety of the OIII channel is lost/ignored/not captured. It's not as apparent in this particular image, so I'll use a better example to explain myself:
Take my Lagoon Mosaic, The OIII signal is incredibly strong and the depth of my integration shows the OIII gas "flowing out" of the nebula and in and around the Ha and SII pillars - like water around rocks. I tried to choose a palette that would accentuate this aspect of the subject, and even then i had to tone it down somewhat or it became overpowering and looked wildly unbalanced. I haven't found another palette that does the OIII channel as much justice as this pastel SHO palette does.


I'm very open to suggestion though.

A lot of these bright "open nebula" type targets that I've imaged so far (M16, M17, M8) display this particular characteristic in the OIII Channel. And it's absolutely fascinating to me.



I have not applied any selective sharpening to the image, the only sharpening/deconvolution is a mild run of BlurXterminator before removing the stars, then another mild run right at the end before exporting the final image. However at your prompting, I've had another look and I can see what you mean. The sharpness levels seem to vary wildly, with some parts looking over sharp, and other places looking really soft.



I have noticed the Blue and red pixels in a few images, and it might be time for a new set of Dark and Bias Frames; I have put a lot of imaging hours on the camera this year.


Either way, Like I said at the top, I appreciate the time you took to have a look and craft your response. Thank you, and Clear Skies!
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Old 10-12-2023, 12:07 PM
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You've raised an interesting point....and I suspect flaw...with BlurXterminator.
It does tend to localise sharpening in weird ways.

I've seen even more bizarre artefacts with Topaz Denoise AI.

PixInsight's deconvolution while not as fancy, at least applies changes globally, as does MaxIm's LR decon.

I guess it a case of the newest tool in the shed is not always the most productive. Hammers are simple, but work every time
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You've raised an interesting point....and I suspect flaw...with BlurXterminator.
It does tend to localise sharpening in weird ways.

I've seen even more bizarre artefacts with Topaz Denoise AI.

PixInsight's deconvolution while not as fancy, at least applies changes globally, as does MaxIm's LR decon.

I guess it a case of the newest tool in the shed is not always the most productive. Hammers are simple, but work every time

It could be any number of my processes that lead to it looking funny as well. I do recall doing a light pass of the "Dark feature enhancement" script (or whatever its called) I suspect that might have crunched up some details around the dark core parts, which probably confused BXT even more.


TBH, i haven't used PI's native decon tool. it might be worth looking into.


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