The ones that Orion has sold for years as "Expanse"?
Read:
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/6.../?hl=%2Bsvbony
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7.../?hl=%2Bsvbony
https://www.cloudynights.com/topic/7.../?hl=%2Bsvbony
And a hundred more discussions are there if you search.
And you can look up reviews of the Orion Expanse to get comments as well.