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Thanks everyone, so all very helpful. Martin I'm still new to the hobby just had some good reading and bit of exposure when I was a kid with a rather useless telescope circa 32 odd years ago. And I'm not sure that really counts other than I can identify Scorpio, a couple of planets, the southern celestial pole and a few other things. I've not used what one would call a real telescope, so I'd say I'm still a newbie.
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