Thanks for your reply, I didnt realise that not being dark adapted has such an impact, so it can make the difference between seeing objects and not seeing them at all? I think you might have hit the nail on the head. I typically sit in my loungeroom (while my scope cools down outside) looking on my computer at starcharts, UNDER A FLOURO LIGHT!!!!! and then I go outside and look in my eyepiece. I clearly have a lot to learn. I just tonight got my copy of "turn left at orion" and go figure, it backs up your story
So, should i be sitting outside in the dark for a half hour before looking in the scope? Maybe, I will try this tonight. What are these globs and nebulae in sagittarius you speak of
Thanks again