http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEHx0Ro5OEU
and
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MsJqSII7vvI
There you go Al, try that technique, actually it's worth downloading the clip, there are a few others as well of Josh Gooch, Ped Band, Alex Hutchings etc Jamming, quite good quality and very listenable.