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+1 for the 8" dobs. Andrews have them for $399 and Bintel for $499. Perhaps the Bintel is better, I don't know, but the difference is probably marginal. You will outgrow it, everyone does, but it's a very good start and you will have a chance to find out whether you are really into astronomy and what your preferred upgrade path is - a bigger visual scope, photography or perhaps a specialist solar scope. Your first upgrade though will probably be eyepieces. The included eps are good for what they are - cheap - but they will be the weak link in you system. If you think you will be into visual astronomy in the long term get good, ... no excellent, eps because they will stay with you after you upgrade the scope and in any case they hold their resale value better than low or medium grade eps.
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