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A word on the short tube Orion 80mm refractor - don't expect QUALITY assemble here. Most people use these as cheap guidescopes for photography, where they seem reasonable (though I LOATHED it!).
I had to rectify the cosmetics on mine (paint runs, sags and pooled splotches in several places, as well as black over spray), and some of the components are brittle plastic (the objective lens holder being one),
I would prefer one to binos ANY day, but just don't expect too much out of it. Should perform well enough on a simple alt-azimuth mount, like the Skywatcher AZ2 or similar.
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