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Old 15-02-2013, 04:38 PM
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Your quite entitled to your views and I agree with the matter that the USA, Australia, Brittan, China and Russia have been no better in their foreign policies in modern history wrt the gulf-war 2 wmd war or what ever anyone wants to call it.

There we no valid terrorist harbouring or WMD grounds to attack Iraq. There were grounds to dispose of a despot that practised genocide gassed his own people with mustard gas but hey this point was lost.

But all this is OT...it's NK we are focusing on here. If the war is in fact never over then NK should be a wasteland by now, they would have lost. However we have a armistice do we not..or shall we say an armistice on one side not the other...instead one party is supposed to fight by Marquis of Queensbury rules while the other is hitting below the belt here! This cannot go on without retaliation or ending this in some manner. The point saying its all right for NK to attack legit military targets is as the war is not over is wrong on 2 counts: Armistice mentioned above; and I didn't see a military base in the middle some small SK village getting pounded by NK artillery, without provocation...or maybe you will look at at this as SK civilians getting in the way of NK target shelling practice?

MacArthur was correct when the Chinese were massing on the Yalu river in China to cross to NK/SK. MacArthur wanted to SAC bomb them as they were a threat. Unfortunately MacArthur wanted to Nuclear SAC bomb them...which was of course unpalatable even then. So the Truman paused and fiddled and lives were lost...many lives.

The end result is an appeasement of a Stalinist regime and we all know well how good a leader Stalin was to his people. Fact here is the general NK population live in abject poverty yet their government has shown gross violations of UN decrees and is involved with other Nuclear ambitious countries that are also despotic.

Oh and a family member of mine was involved with the Pong Su at high legal level it is pretty obvious this was NK sanctioned drug running...amateurish at that. Yes drugs in Afghanistan is a real issue...the damn yanks could have paid them to plant whatever lets say potatoes and buy it back from them and still be cheaper than trying to stop opium. I suppose the British couldn't control the place I don't know why the yanks or Australia thought they could. However Afghanistan was harbouring another despotic regime that did foster terrorism on an international scale. Of course this point is lost isn't it. Still that said Afghanistan is a better place today than it has been for many many years ...womean can get an education.

I would have supported an invasion to Afghanistan before any Iraq invasion and still do due to the nature of the Taliban and their harbouring of terrorism. Now days we find the real culprit behind all this is Pakistan...not Afghanastain.

As for the rocket over other another nationals land...if this was over Australia ..how would you feel? This is the same as turning on targeting radar against an foreign aircraft...it's just not done and can lead to war as it is a provocative act. It's only needs one mishap..we know how good NK is at engineering rockets...maybe 1 in 10 actually take off so this could have been the one small trigger if it fell on land in Japan or a US base???...it could/would be viewed as deliberate.

International politics is a tightrope walk, especially for some nations but to do so while firing guns blindfolded is asking for a fall. China and Russia have their own failures of backing the wrong people just as much as the Yanks. It is dreadful we went to the gulf war 2 I feel ashamed of official government involvement (not against out participants, troops, airmen ....I was part of 75SQN hornets). I however fully agree with Gulf-war 1 it was for the right reasons, Kuwait was invaded was it not..

Anyway back OT.....NK is not trying to settle its issues peacefully it is sabre rattling. History has shown us this rattling leads to SK innocent deaths so now they sabre rattle with nuclear weapons.

Next thing Japan arms up with nuclear weapons in response....then SK then Indonesia then Australia.

As for sanctions causing NK starvation...yes there is a possiblilty of impact by sanctions but hey NK government can stop this right now (or say anytime in the last 20 years) but they choose to continue on a nuclear program that will ultimately lead to confrontation. Low an behold if a terrorist organisation gets hold of a nuclear weapon that NK sells for cash flow......there will be retribution like no other. Oh and the isotopes left from nuclear blasts pretty much tell where these weapons materials came from......so proof is reasonably easy to match if this unfortunately happens.

NK...is destabilising the world, how far they are bent on going? Who knows...lets hope they collapse like Russia before they get too far after all they do have inferior basic weaponry like tanks and aircraft but they do have a lot of troops in boots...they cannot fight a protracted war this is why they want nuclear weapons. Its time for the Chinese to stop NK and to stand up to their naughty funded child state.

Anyway FWIW.

Last edited by wasyoungonce; 15-02-2013 at 08:41 PM.
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