Me again

So using the old balancing method (telescope parallel to the ground.. balanced, etc) I can now effectively balance my telescope in both RA and DEC.
However when the telescope and counter weight bar is parallel to the ground and I rotate it so it is so the telescope is pointing directly up the scope is heavily out of balance to the front again.
On my old newtonian I used to fix this by rotating the actualy tube to achieve balance in that orientation. How can I balance this out with a refractor (this is my first serious refractor I have owned)
I have a Tak FSQ106 with a 7x50 Finderscope and an Orion Short tube 80mm autoguider sitting on top the tube rings of the tak (on a vixen style bar)
Any ideas, is this where a space plate is needed so i can rotate the tube, this doesn't seem viable however due to the guidescope getting in the road of the finderscope?
Thanks again