Stinky, if you want to get involved in this discussion - go to an American forum - they seem to have a genuine love of free speech over there (lets face it - thats how modern ID originated and evolved - from free speech) and dont just pay it lip service. ie: they did invent the internet
Also they seem to be able to intelligently debate difficult topics without resorting to thread ending schoolyard name calling - and keep there frustrations in check for the benifit of the debate.
Also I dont think the debate started as pointless brawling at all, it stemmed from the the very real *recent* threat in australia and the rest of the world (remember 70 000 aussie scientists and science teachers felt compelled to unitedly reject it in a petition), and possible continued reccurring threat in the future, of religous views surreptiously veiled as science running roughshod over real science.
Its funny how as the years go by, aussies more and more move to an American style society - user pay's, anti medicare, market forces rule, every man for himself, the rise and rise of fundamentalist christianity, low taxes ect, baseball caps.
but we resist some of their most cherished rights/beliefs - ie the right to free speech. remember resistance is futile hehe
anyway - go to
http://www.bautforum.com/ for a open and grey matter stimulating debate - hit 'todays posts'
enjoy