I saw the meade one. it's only usd$1999 in the states - i'll be heading there in a couple months so if i can pick one up there for cheap(er), that'd be nice.
I can't for the life of me find this northgroup company. Does it still exist? The closest I can find is one called hioptic. I even went to the northgroup.cn site which I followed from an email someone had posted in these forums and that doesn't exist.
http://www.hioptic.com/telescopes/
In any case, these guys don't have a 4 incher.
Interesting about the meade refractors.. they got a really good write up from what i saw. good optics. just gotta find north group now
