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Originally Posted by stinky
Since i have never seen Plato should I assume he didn't exist? But if I do accept the evidence that he did exist I can also accept that he evolved from a fish !
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Stinky, you are applying inconsistant logic. There were many who witnessed Plato's existence first hand. There are none who first hand witnessed fish evolve to philosophers.
Bert, this irrefutible evidence you speak of all depends on how you interpret it.
At best, all the big bang can do is yield a cloud of gas. How did stars form? How about galaxies? Super clusters?
"Equivalent question: Who among you has seen (fill in your God here)."
Numerous times direct speech with God is recorded in the Bible.
Many witnessed the death and resurrection of Jesus Christ. Those "many" years since 30AD hardly compare with the billions that evolution suggests.
This Human record is far more substantial than any record kept of evolution. Oh wait, that's right, no one was around to see it happen.
"These days it is routine to manufacture DNA and RNA and Proteins in simple machines of any chosen complexity."
Notice how you said it is routine to MANUFACTURE DNA and RNA. Clearly they do not manufacture themselves. You might even say it takes one to design them.
As for organic chemicals forming naturally, sure that has been shown to work. But they won't spontaneously come to life. It's like putting all the parts of a watch in a bag, giving it a shake and expecting it to come out perfectly assembled.
"Most mutations can possibly be disadvantagious, but the advantagious mutations will be passed on and spread throughout the population of the relevant organism.See Influenza for one."
It is true that mutations theoretically can be advantageous, but can you see it happening now? OK, so influenza mutates every season. This still works with ID as your paradigm! But where are the new species? Where is the increase in complexity?
"All the things that Science tells us can be tested, here and now and into the future."
This is only true of operational science! Have you successfully created life from a few particles? Because we cannot test/witness/verify the evolution of particles to people, we cannot with certainty say it actually happened. Therefore it is a historical science.
I sincerely hope you find enlightenment, Bert.
Nic