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Originally Posted by joe_smith

Please Note: I am not against people being vaccinated, I even get the flu shot like all good citizen's and believe they do more good then harm. or condone the sentences of scientists even if some do deserve it. I post this counter argument for this debate, in support of the other view, just to keep the thread even.


MMR vaccine causes autism' claim banned

This article is good in saying why its banned but what dose this part in it mean?

(underling is mine)

So is there some truth to the question "Can vaccination cause Autism?" from the above quotes?

How do they tell who is in the subgroup? are they warned or tested? how would YOU feel if you had a normal healthy child before being vaccinated then after being vaccinated starts to show signs of autism? what would your view be?

Perhaps the good doctor is covering his back given these days scientists can be sued or imprisoned, or a small percentage of the population does in fact have a genetic disposition to react differently to the vaccine. What it doesn't mean is that the vaccine causes autism in the general population.

Its easy to sit back and judge people for their actions from the comfort of our own save haven, looking in from the out side. But I bet the people saying "How stupid they are" would have a different point of view holding their own child in their hands that was healthy before being vaccinated.

Or alternatively your child dies from the very disease the vaccination was designed to prevent but was not given.
The emotive argument runs both ways doesn't it.

Or digging their dead family from the ruins of their safe haven that seismologists allegedly said "would be OK",

Another emotive argument.

Do you mean scientists are above the law or not bound by them? If they make comments or their actions had a negative effect that directly affected peoples lives shouldn't they be held accountable? if that quote is true then why have seismologists? and why should we listen to them? where is their credibility? Why do scientists that study earthquakes ask for our money so they can keep looking for a way to predict earthquakes when the majority view held here is "its 100% impossible to name the day and time a big one will hit?" are seismologists that are trying to find a way to predict earthquakes doing science or pseudoscience?

No one is above the law, the question is the law equally applied to all.
Evidently not so in the Italian justice system. Apparently building a sub standard structure that collapses and kills people doesn't lead to prosecution.
Seriously who is more culpable the builder who takes shortcuts or the seismologist?
Seismology incidentally is the study of earthquakes of which earthquake prediction is a small subset of the science. The fact is earthquake prediction is highly unreliable, only the Italian justice system seems to think otherwise.

As one goes from the physical to the biological and earth sciences you will find the "predictive powers" of the sciences diminishes.

Steven