Geoff, I transferred payment for this EP about 1 hour ago. I just need one more now, for my binoviewers. Please don't insult the EP by calling it a "starter plossl".
I'm especially looking forward to comparing this older style 17mm TV plossl with my newer 15mm. I like my 10.5mm (older style) very much. I cannot imagine how any 10.5mm 50 degree EP with the eye relief of a plossl could be any better.