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Old 11-09-2012, 07:33 AM
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I have been listening to reports and reading articles about recent events at CERN's LHC.

Quote: At full power, trillions of protons will race around the LHC accelerator ring 11 245 times a second, travelling at 99.9999991% the speed of light. Two beams of protons will each travel at a maximum energy of 7 TeV (tera-electronvolt), corresponding to head-to-head collisions of 14 TeV. Altogether some 600 million collisions will take place every second.

So......

If two cars have a head on collision and they are both travelling at 100km/h, the combined speed of the impact is going to be 200km/h.

If two protons collide, travelling at 99.9999991% the speed of light they will NOT have a combined impact velocity that is faster than the speed of light. I have trouble visualising this as it seems to defy logic.

Science states that any object (or sub-atomic particle) cannot reach the speed of light as they have mass.

Any thoughts that can help make this clear would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
Stu.
This is where mathematics helps in resolving this apparent defying of logic.
The approach velocity of two cars travelling at 100 km/hr is in fact 200 km/hr.

The approach velocity is derived in special relativity by the equation
(u+v)/(1+uv/c^2) where u and v are the velocities of the objects moving towards each other.

For the two cars in the example 100 km/hr = 0.0000055c
In the equation the uv/c^2 term for the cars is (0.0000055cx0.0000055c)/c^2 = 1.008X10^-16 which is a very small number.

The approach velocity of objects travelling at speeds well below c is
(u+v)/(1+uv/c^2) = u+v as the uv/c^2 term is very small.

Hence the approach velocity of the two cars is 100 + 100 = 200 km/hr.

Suppose there are two objects travelling towards each other at 0.9c
Now the uv/c^2 term is no longer small and equals (0.9cx0.9c)/c^2 =0.81.

The approach velocity is (0.9c+0.9c)/1.81 = 0.995c.
The approach velocity can never exceed c.

For two photons approaching each other at c, uv/c^2 = 1, and the approach velocity is (c+c)/2 = c.

Regards

Steven
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