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Firstly let me thank you all for your time and advice. I realise bins would be the best option but due to a drunken accident in my youth holding anything still for more than a few minutes is difficult if not impossible.
John, the skywatcher dobs are pretty much what i had in mind. I realise the drop in aperture from an 8" is significant but then again the aussie skies compared to the light pollution we have to suffer in the uk will go a long way in making up for that. also a small dob might help get my son off his xbox and out in the garden (fat chance).
once again thanks everyone for your help. much appreciated.
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