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Originally Posted by iceman
It's very disappointing to see your comments John - it's certainly not very welcoming to newcomers.
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Mike,
It was very dissappointing for Andrew Murrell to be standing at the gate unable to get in and observe. What newcomers need Mike is to be able to observe with people like Andrew and learn from him and not have him standing at the gate like a stung plover.
As you well know Mike I do an enormous amount to assist newcomers, school children and social groups and have done for many years. As does Andrew.
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I also don't think it's fair to make some of the statements you have about in crowd. How many times have you had observing sessions further out at Kulnura or Mogo with your own 'in crowd'?
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Rod made those comments not me Mike. However I can tell you the sole reason we went further afield is because the Pony Club site was poor as an observing venue and by then we had burnt our bridges at Paintball Place.
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From my memory, we started going to the PC because froggy left the paintball place, and it got a bit too 'difficult' or 'uncomfortable' having to ask the owners to observe there
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Froggy left and several people thought we might have to move on. That was not the case. I spoke at length with the Paintball Place owner Brian and he was happy to let us continue using the Paintball Place after Froggy left. In fact I took several school and scout groups out to Paintball after Froggy had left and the group had migrated to the Pony Club. At the same time a couple of the then newcomers wanted a venue that had a warm cosy shed and one of them had access to the Pony Club, so they suggested the group move to PC. Several people went, not realising it wasnt much of an observing site until they got there and it got dark (well nearly dark). Once the group had moved, the die was cast and PC became the permanent venue, despite my protests.
I find it very dissappointing Mike that the really good thing several people started off over 7 years ago has degenerated to the fiasco that occured 2 Saturdays ago where 2 of the original Central Coast group members couldn't get in to observe and most importantly didnt know until the last minute they wouldn't be able to get in. There is a back door entry to PC? It would have been nice for that information to have been shared.
Cheers,
John B