Ron > DOH! of course they would
... thinking about it after it makes sense obviously, thanks for the info.
Suzy > I'll put M77 on the list, and the others, thanks.
Generally speaking, when I say I 'saw' the swirl of the galaxy it was only hints of lighter areas and a faint pinpoint of light at the core. No way could I see the whole galaxy and it was only discenible after about 20 minutes of dark adaptation and averted vision. Also giving the scope a wee nudge so it jiggled slightly seemed to show it, weird.
Wish I'd powered up the mount, even the 114 mm Newt currently sitting on it could have made a significant difference. Weather is looking good for tonight and the next few apparently although the temperatures are down around 6 degrees. I'll try and get it up and going while the weather holds and have another go while it's high in the sky at a reasonable time of night.
Also spotted Saturn and Omega Cent Glob. Moon was blinding even with the scope cap on.