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thanks a lot steve these are the first times i have ever used a dslr so i find it hard to think i have passed anywhere yet!
brendan that is a great shot and looks much more lifelike
i do not have photoshop and the second rendition was where i found out you could click on each channel and adjust individually without moving the whole histogram(?) i viscious jerking movements!
these "stretching" and "curves" i dont have a clue about yet as well as flats and darks
getting there sloooowwwwly!
thanks for the replys guys
pat
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