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thanks matthew and john, silly me really showing my noob status
ended up emailing moonlite and it is really only for astrophotography! ha ha
the moonlite site actually does not expressly say that it is designed solely for AP, they just assume we know!
it makes little difference as it is all there when needed, and by the way what a piece of engineering the unit is, i can stare at it for ages!
actually matthew i may try the extension tube idea to see if i can use it visually, but first that is a good idea about pulling the diagonal a little further out to see if the focus gets closer
i then may find an extension tube
thank you members great advice
pat
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