Ron, Having been fortunate enough to see M51 in Larry Mitchell's 36" scope in Texas, I can assure it is something pretty special. I almost fell off the ladder from 15 feet in the air when I first saw it. 36 big inches does help too
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I understand John,but I was being a bit pedantic in thinking of this as an Aussie poll and possibly most of the observers on this site have never seen it

Its good in a 16"but would looooove to see it in a 36"

Cheers