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Thanks Guys, (and Merry Xmas!) this looks like a great forum.. wish I'd found it sooner.. it's nice (and reassuring) to see so much discussion about the GSO scopes, I live in a rural area so its difficult for me to get hands on help out here, I think IIS will be a great resource.. since I got the scope the weather has been pretty appalling (of course) so I've only been out 3 times, last night (well, 2am this morning) I was able to view Saturn for the first time which was a thrill (little detail at 130x but exciting nevertheless). I'm still finding my way around the sky but have managed to find a few nebulae and clusters, saw colour and a 5th star in the Orion Nebula the other night which was great, I think I starting to get the hang of "looking".. Anyway, it's all been good but the whole collimation thing has been a bit trying, I ws pretty naive and thought the laser was all I needed, taking out the primary to mark (and clean, it was a shop model and loaded with dust and film) was a bit more excitement than I bargained for ;-) but I managed (in case you're cringing at this point I cleaned VERY carefully with distilled water and sterile cotton per Sky & Telescope website). Anyway, I'll try the paper thing and see what I find.. thanks again! Bruce
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