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yes muddy, i had seen jupiter back when i got my scope with a 6.5mm cheap eyepiece. I had viewed it also with the 5mm vixen very low a couple of weekends ago.
But this time, still low on the horizon say 15-20 degrees and the view I received, i would bet my right one , anybody looking at that for the first time would be hooked!!!
It is not as if it was my first time looking at it!!!
One out of the box!
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