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Originally Posted by renormalised
It's quite obvious you've never studied geology, because you're invoking Complexity in the determination of the processes occurring.
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Nah … I'm not invoking it … nature does that for itself.
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Originally Posted by renormalised
You've got this bug under your bonnet about Chaos/Complexity and you see it in everything.
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Yep … all self-similar patterns formed in nature have chaotic processes causing them. Great stuff, eh ?
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Originally Posted by renormalised
As a matter of fact, you see it as the be all and end all of what is occurring. It's not.
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No … but the mathematical models developed in science used to describe the macro-level processes leading to self-similar structures, (like river beds/branching, galaxies, planets, biological structures etc), lead to a much deeper understandings of the physics involved, through interactions with other systems. Without the macro models, these interacting behavioural influences will remain unexplained, as will the impact on those external systems.
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Originally Posted by renormalised
It's not. There's a lot more to geology, physics or any other subject/process etc, than chaos or complexity. Far more. That's not to say it's not important but you really need to be aware of the level at which it is important and to be aware of where determinism arises from any underlying chaos/complexity.
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all need to understand the scale and sensitivity over which chaotic behaviours can result in non-deterministic outcomes. Chaotic behaviour arises from non-linear influences acting upon deterministic processes. In geology, physics and chemistry form the basis of the deterministic components. The resulting macro-level structures formed in geology are the outcomes of deterministic chaos resulting from the interacting macro-scale non-linear systems (eg: weather patterns, fluid dynamics, etc).
Complexity resulting from a large number of interacting dynamical systems, can result in the formation of simple behavioural patterns. These patterns can then be modelled to determine the influence they have over other interacting systems.
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Originally Posted by renormalised
Chaos and complexity do not function in a vacuum, so to speak. Neither does geology, or chemistry, or physics etc.
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The studies of Chaos and Complexity lead to deeper understandings through modelling. Modelling is a relatively recent concept and has emerged alongside of computing technologies. The days of a simple deterministic formulae being sought to explain clearly complex behaviours, has been superseded by the combination of technology and the clever application of mathematical principles.
The 'new physics' you so often call for, is actually emerging from computational modelling. What the human brain cannot intuitively explain or predict, is the very output replicated by computer models which actually make use of the principles of the deterministic components of Physics and Chemistry, 'modulated' by the non-linear macro-scale process behaviours evident in nature.
This is the exact stomping ground of Chaos and Complexity Theory. A dedicated astrophysicist (or geologist), cannot ignore the benefits of mathematical modelling.
It is a crucial component of all future understandings of nature.
Cheers