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Originally Posted by strongmanmike
We can ill afford another election on it, the government has a mandate and a responsibility to act regardless of the damage it will do to them in the polls - Kudos to the Australian Labor party, they will most likely leave government in two years or so but they will leave us with another significant and long over due reform and I congratulate them.
Mike
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Rubbish, The government definitely has no mandate. They don't even have a mandate to Govern in their own right. Whichever party came into power at the last election had only a mandate to appease the policy of the Greens, a minor party but holding power.
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Originally Posted by supernova1965
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I believe there is significant evidence to indicate that thge earths surface temprature had risen in the past as well.
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Originally Posted by renormalised
The science can be demonstrated easily, with a simple experiment anyone can do (if they get a hold of the supplies).
Make up two small, airtight, "greenhouses" and place them on a table. Get a small canister of CO2 and pump a little bit into one of them and label it. Grab a sunlamp and shine it on both of them for a number of hours, then take a reading of the temp in both.
You'll find the one with the CO2 in it will be hotter than the control with only air.
The same happens with the Earth, only on a vastly larger scale.
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Carl, nice experiment if you can call it that. We are talking ppm here and not litres / cubic meter. Try the same experiment with an increase in CO2 in small amounts, plant some plants in the container and your results will be entirely different. Use the sun instead of a narrow spectrum heat lamp and both containers will probably die.
My main gripe with the whole thing is the fact that both sides seem to be manipulating data to achieve there own desired result. The tax is exactly what it is another tax wich will probably leave us only with that ....another tax. The fact that the tax is not being equally applied with a majority of the population being compensated and the minority paying for everyone else. The fact that this tax is the tip of the iceberg and will eventually disceminate into a trading scheme wich will no doubt be open to missuse and abuse and do very little to improve carbon output. Major companies will not be penalised for carbon production as they will just pass any costs on to you and I. If there is no cost to them why improve.
The electricity sector has been trading Renewable Energy Certificates for a few years now and the only incentive they have under this scheme is the money they can make out of the sale of REC's. The cost of maintaining REC's has increased your electricity bills already. This is just another scheme of the same except now the Government gets to hold the cash.