Wayne thanks for the tips, i will have a look at that. It behaved tonight as was doing goto's ok with only some minor adjustments. when i did the align i made the stars look like doonuts!. However I parked the scope when the clouds came in and then went back out, powered up said goto saturn and it pointed straight down. i powered down, aligned again and it worked fine

did a tour and went to a Nebula, cant recall what but i thought my EP had fogged up but on focus saw very faint clouds (i think)
The BinT guys are good mozzie.
until tomorrow... off now for a cup of tea and to read that manual some more
Mark