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I've seen the Helix in 8x56 binos. Not too difficult but I think you need reasonably dark skies.
I find the view through an 8" or 10" telescope pretty dim - moving the scope actually helps to see some detail. I don't have a nebula filter - it would be interesting to see how much more detail could be picked up. I like the idea of using a nebula filter with binos.
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