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Originally Posted by Brian W
Carl, I am definitely NOT bringing in the concept of an 'higher intelligence' that started everything. .
The core of my question is whether or not science can prove or disprove the concept of 'no beginning' because everything must have a 'cause'.
Now let us, just for fun, assume that time is just an illusion. I am not sure that the absence of time neccesitates the absence of cause and effect.
From my simplistic mind comes this thought.
If through research, observation and meticulous record keeping I find that it is apparently impossible to get a 'result' without a 'cause' I feel that in the true spirit of science I have proved that results need causes.
Does that not neccesitate an infinity of causes?
Please note this does not bring in 'higher intelligence', 'self awareness' or 'G-d'
I am simply putting forward two interconnected ideas (1) everything needs a cause, (2) therefore there can be no first cause.
If there above is correct then the universe (for lack of a better term) may have an ending but it can have no beginning.
Brian
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Brian, cause and effect as we understand it, requires time to have any meaning. It also requires time has a direction (past to future). If there is no real time, cause and effect become meaningless, except where consciousness dictates/observes that there must be a time with direction or that a cause precedes an effect.
There is no way to prove an infinity of causes, unless you as the observer have been around for an indefinite period of time.