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Old 22-12-2010, 09:54 PM
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Again and I say again.."So What"? Global warming.... oh sorry, I meant climate change as even the most fanatical of proponents has to bow to the evidence that the Earth is NOT warming. Its now "Climate Change". Of course the climate is changing. Its always changing. Its been changing since there was a climate to change. Often with considerably more violence.
The geology, theground we walk on, is always changing. Can you imagine the IPCCs analysis of continental drift were we still Pangea?
One of my wife's colleagues, a teacher for heaven's sake, believed that 90% of the Carbon in the atmosphere came from humans!!!
Not even close:
80% comes from the oceans.
10-15% from Photosynthesis (she also didn't know that plants give off CO2)
5% comes from 'other sources', People, Vulcanism, seepage from the earth etc.
The eruption of the Tibetan Plateau some 10 million years ago released more CO2 into the air than humans have, are ,or will, for the rest of the time we are on the planet.
And yet...here we are!!!! Here lots of things are.
No doubt we have made some serious cock-ups with pollution and introduced species, but we have not ruined the atmosphere.

Everything I've seen generated by the IPCC has always been an 'estimate' or a 'model' with no explanation of the processes of these estimates and models. Too many people's carreers now depend on man-made climate change, it reminds me of the Cold War, where every second-rate theoretician could make a living out of 'Strategic Analysis'. Even with the multicore , parrallel processing power of supercomputers, its next to impossible to accurately model a dynamic sytem. You can't artificially impose constraints if you want an honest outcome. But you have to if you are going to get ANY data at all.
By their very nature climate models are going to give you a wrong answer.

Nothing. Not one single doomsday scenario that has been predicted since this claptrap started making the rounds in the '70s has come to pass. The icecaps have NOT melted. Forests continue to grow. Animal species continue to breed and thrive. The Ozone layer remains intact.
The original IPCC report sparked numerous 'viable scenarios' of the worlds coasts being flooded by 2010. Low lying areas like the Netherlands, Bangeladesh and the the Missisippi Delta were regularly flattened by storms and floods 200 years before anyone cranked the first automobile.
Then, it was considered to be "God's Wrath". Now those who would have become flagellants or suicide bombers have found Climate Change as their casus belli.

This past winter & autumn were supposed to be the warmest and driest on record in Australia according to climate change analysts at the BoM. Not in my part of the world.
Has anyone bothered to notice that the 'estimates' of daily deforestation since the '90s far exceed the world's combined forest area. According to the IPCC, we should all be living in deserts by know choking on our own CO2.
There simply isn't any real honest-to-goodness 'hard' science going on here. Its all "IF-THEN" with no "UNLESS" or "NOT" to temper the findings.
I'm all for minimising our 'footprints' so to speek. I think its appalling that vast stretches of productive or natural land are given over to ghettos full of energy-sucking McMansions. I'd love to drive a car that runs on Hydrogen and I'd be happy to flick a lightswitch generated by nuclear power.

But I'm also happy to admit I wan't someone else to make the first sacrifices.
I wan't Mom & Pop who live in Albert Park and vote 'Green' to start growing their own food without pesticides and stop driving the kids to school. I want them to make there own clothes fron recycled rags and hemp. I want them to cut out ALL plastic, nylon, rayon or other synthetic materials from their lives. I want them to be powered entirely by solar and wind power units erected in or on THEIR property.
I want Politicians to share solar-powered cars and cut off the air-con in Canberra. No more jets. No more junkets abroad to climate conferences that suck-up Jet A by the ton. I want the DoE to start using only recycled water and the rest of the government to be powered by entirely non-polluting power, locally generated.
THEN, those that are so inclined, can start preaching about what the rest of us can do.