[supernova1965 (Warren)]

Originally Posted by joe_smith

By the fact there has been none found. Do you mean that you don't have to have the proof to say that there IS life out there. No proof so far means no life out there. You can have a personal belief that there is life out there or you can have a personal belief that there is none. until life is found its only a theory. if you base there is life out there on a maths equation that can go either way, (like the stupid drake equation put the real numbers in and it comes out 0, NIL.) then you must say UFO's are real and the gods exists by the evidence put forward by them, if you don't have to prove the maths is true, they don't have to prove their story's and evidence. Science cant have it both ways.

But the equations for life in the universe haven't been proven to be true that IS the difference so you cant say it is a fact that it is real, you have faith it is true not evidence.

I agree and that is my whole point

just because Elephant's exist in India and Africa this is not proof or evidence that Elephant 's exist in your house.
Which is the same as
Just because life exists on Planet Earth, This is not proof or evidence that Life exists on planet X or Y and even Z.

This type of argument "there is life on Earth so there must be life out there", isn't a theory its, as someone said "a bit arrogant" of the actual data found so far.

btw my elephant is in the mini, not in the fridge. I guard my peanut butterhttp://www.iceinspace.com.au/forum/....ilies/rofl.gif

You can't say because it hasn't been found yet it doesn't exist that is illogical its like saying because I can't go into space that it is impossible its just that I don't have the technical ability or the financial resources to do it or the physical ability. But I know it is possible.

The below quote is an example of what I mean it wasn't proven that the Earth was a sphere, untill it was proven did that mean that the earth was flat because no-one had proved it.

The concept of a spherical Earth dates back to ancient Greek philosophy from around the 6th century BC,[1] but remained a matter of philosophical speculation until the 3rd century BC when Hellenistic astronomy established the spherical shape of the earth as a physical given. The Hellenistic paradigm was gradually adopted throughout the Old World during Late Antiquity and the Middle Ages.[2][3][4][5] The final, practical demonstration of Earth's sphericity was achieved by Ferdinand Magellan / Juan Sebastian Elcano's expedition's circumnavigation (1519−1521).[6]
The concept of a spherical Earth displaced earlier beliefs in a flat Earth: In early Mesopotamian mythology, the world was portrayed as a flat disk floating in the ocean and surrounded by a spherical sky,[7] and this forms the premise for early world maps like those of Anaximander and Hecataeus of Miletus. Other speculations on the shape of Earth include a seven-layered ziggurat or cosmic mountain, alluded to in the Avesta and ancient Persian writings (see seven climes), or a wheel, bowl, or four-cornered plane alluded to in the Rigveda.[8]
As determined by modern instruments, a sphere approximates the Earth's shape to within one part in 300. An oblate ellipsoid shape with a flattening of 1/300 matches even more precisely. Recent measurements from satellites suggest that the Earth is, in fact, slightly pear-shaped.

I wasn't trying to prove the elephant was in your house you stated that. Because it was in the zoo didn't mean it was in your house but it proved they existed somewhere otherwise it wouldn't be in the zoo they had to get them from somewhere. And the equations for life in the universe have not been disproven either and it seems to me that you are going on faith that the no life exists without any supporting science at all other than I can't see it so it doesn't exist. Unless you are playing Devils Advocate