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Old 19-10-2010, 09:40 PM
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No way, Alex.
In the course of my work as RF engineer I simply know from 35+ years experience that NO tank circuity can provide such a stability - it never happened and it never will. And there are many good theoretical analysis available on many web pages and textbooks on this issue.
If a tank circuit is for you a good enough explanation for frequency stability, then I'm afraid I must say you don't know what you are talking about.

As I mentioned earlier (in another thread ? ) the most stable frequency-wise electronic oscillators have MECHANICAL control elements (crystals) which are stable enough and and have Q-factor high enough to provide reasonable stability. Atomic clocks are way better (and better than pulsars), but they are not electronics oscillators in principle..

Your relaxation oscillator (with discharge tube) is tens of orders on magnitude worse it terms of stability than quartz oscillators..

On the other hand, fast rotating object is a good explanation of such phenomena.. much, much better model than relaxation oscillator, anyway.

Of course, if we assume that pulsars are electronics oscillators.. with external power etc.. why not conclude immediately that they are actually beacons built by advanced civilisations.. to help their space fleet to navigate through Galaxy :-) (BTW, this may be helpful one day for humans as well.. and it won't matter if pulsars are artificial, or rotating or whatever their nature may be).

Now,double layers..
How the discharge can happen UNIFORMLY throughout the whole thing (of stellar size !!), and in REPEATABLE way, every time..(again, with (observed !!) accuracy better than 10^-13 !!!!!) Did you think about recovery process? How it is possible that it is so fast (milliseconds... and that could tell us also something about its size.. what do you think, how big (or small) this system is? ) ?

Discharge is VERY chaotic process.. just look at lightning. You never know when and where it will strike. Far from being repeatable.






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Originally Posted by Jarvamundo View Post
Correct it's a qualitative prediction of the ES pulsar model... I'm not sold on the gravitational collapse theory, or neutron matter star theory, or now these new cracks that can appear to let the hidden magnetic dynamo out.

Just seems like were invoking alot of unverified phenomena with yet more adhock attachments. Epicycles.

To me the stability will be provided by a resonance of the electrical circuit, much like a tank circuit... Quantitative detail of frequency stability is something i'll explore further. I aknowledge this is the remaining key difficulty of yours i have not addressed in detail yet. These questions are valuable for me Bojan, i thank you for them.

now.. Double layers *do* store vast amounts of electrical energy, this has been empirically verified from lab to solar scales, so i have no concern there with cosmic scales of plasma double layers.

If you're happy with the gravitationally collapsed, hypothetical super dense matter, with rotational frequency 'glitch' star quakes, and now cracks that let the forever hidden dynamo out - model, then all the best to you.

Qualitatively an interrupted resonant electrical circuit is infinitely closer to verified empirical physical processes for me. This article is another example of these qualitative expectations, and i'm happy to explore a cosmology built from physical processes that do exist.

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