[renormalised (Carl)]

There in lies a problem, Craig. You have EU/PC which is based on a mixture of fantasy and abused science, and BBT, whilst not perfect, is based on verifiable evidence, observation and hard science (theory). You can't compare the two. It's like chalk and cheese. You still have a bit to learn and absorb, but that's just a matter of time. The reasons why Steven and I have our objections to EU/PC is because we have the mileage under our belts and know the theory to the extent we both do. That's why we attack it in the way we do...the fact that the EU/PC crowd treat most other scientist and the science with utter contempt is that they have no understanding of it and find it easier then to attack the messenger than the message. Look at how many times we've challenged Alex to put up or shut up on any number of issues. What's he done....run away as far as he can. It's like the rest of them...confront them directly, to their faces and their haven't got the learning or the backbone to either say they don't know or just come out and give their answers. Not based on a whole heap of "videos" or cherry picked journal papers. But on what they know themselves.

I can tell you what Alex's weakness is....he has no idea of any of the science he's talking about. Either about what he would call "mainstream" or anything about his brand of "science". The further he talks on about it, the more absurd it becomes. What he's presented here is only a smattering of the nonsense that they follow over at Thunderbolts. It's not even close to science....it's just sheer crackpot, delusional fantasy mixed in with a brand of science that bears little resemblance to the origins of the subjects they talk about.

That's why we've been as vociferous in the defence of science as we have been. It has to be defended in that manner. If we just sat by and let fools and idiots have their way, where would we be and how much would that say we respected the subject we professed to partake in??. Can you imagine this sort of nonsense being taught in schools as fact!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!. It already happens now in some countries with "Creation Science" and such. All because very impressionable people have been hoodwinked into allowing it to be accepted as having any veracity at all. There is no common sense in society....if there was none of this nonsense would even be allowed to be printed. Let alone proclaimed as some sort of "sacred" truth.

Science isn't about truth, or even the facts. Science is about trying to understanding what we believe to be happening, coming up with plausible explanations and then testing those explanations to see if they measure up to what we observe. It's not about making grand proclamations and then declaring them gospel...despite what you might be lead to believe by others. That just shows you how much they misunderstand what science is about and then misrepresent it.

If you want the "truth", or the "facts"....join a religion. That's what they're good at....claiming the "truth", stating the "facts" and demanding your obedience.

With science.....use what it gives you and make up your own mind. But be prepared to have to face up to scrutiny if you come up with an idea, no matter what it is or whether it breaks paradigms or not. If it survives scrutiny, well and good, if it doesn't then that's it. Holding onto a flawed premise just because it sounds good to you is exactly the same as treating it as a religious "truth". All it will do in the end is hold you back.

This is precisely why so many of the public (probably 90-98% of them) haven't a clue about science and scientists. They don't understand the mechanics behind it all, nor do they understand the philosophy underpinning it. That's why it gets misrepresented in the media and in the general social conscience. Most of the public have hardly any education in science, whatsoever. That in itself doesn't help either. Some scientist don't help as well...many of them aren't the best of communicators and would rather be doing the science then trying to explain difficult concepts to people who most likely won't understand them anyway. Then when science gets "dumbed down", all the problems start to raise their heads. To really be a good scientist, or at least one that can communicate well with others, you need to not only be good at your own field, but you also need to have a good broad understanding of all science, in general. You also need to be comfortable talking to and dealing with people. You really need to be a good teacher. Good at listening as well as speaking. But even then, you can't get through to all people. Some are just plain stupid, arrogant, ignorant and/or deluded....that is just a fact of life.