Look Alex, instead of cherry picking stuff out of Hawkins and trying to back up your strawman arguments, why not actually read what he has written in his papers and then come back with a reply, with something a little more factual. Taking snippets out of papers and using them to try and make out that he backs up your line of thought is not debate. It's deception and the EU crowd are very good at that. It's nothing more than a trite attempt at spin.
As for Lerner's reply...what would he actually know....nothing. He's not even a scientist, despite his saying so to the contrary (a "plasma physicist"....hardly). He's nothing more than a sci-fi author, who happens to have an undergrad degree in physics. A BA at that. Did a bit of graduate work but never finished. And you're trying to tell me he knows more about astronomy, cosmology and physics than Ned Wright....give me a break!!!!. Lerner's book is that shot through with errors in maths and theory, it's not worth even reading except for as an example of what fringe pseudoscience does to actual science in it's pursuit of the irrational or the fanciful. If he actually understands one scintilla of what he's supposed to have read in order to have written his book, he'd know he was wrong himself in so many ways and he wouldn't have had the audacity to publish it.
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