Yes f5. re polar alignment..Thats the plan, I think if I can get a clear night I am hoping for better cause I found out I have been adjusting the wrong way to get dialed in on polar, to the point where I would have to move the tripod when I ran out of adjustment after the move I would unwittingly get close still be going the wong way..if that makes any sence.

. but the other night I did not have much time and I got closer than ever before in a quater of the time simply by adjusting in the correct direction..thanks for your encouragement. alex