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Thanks for the advice John. Your post explains why it is a tough or impossible target for some, but easier for others. I was with nightstalker (Graham) and glenc when we tried for it and Graham could see an area without much shape to it, whereas Glen has seen most of the HH's shape. I saw absolutely nothing. The Flame nebula seems to be similar. I have seen it much better on some nights than others. Transparency obviously plays a part. Thanks to Mark for the excellent chart. As Kev has said, it can wait until next year, there are much more interesting objects to see.
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